Here is what it comes down to with Leach and the offense

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09-20-2021, 06:18 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Agree. Most of our route are short crossing routes and curl routes. Not much stretching the field at all. That ain't Will's fault.

A lot of the open WR people see are guys drifting on the backside after the D reacts to a short throw. It looks wide open when you see the play wind up.

It absolutely is Will?s fault
09-20-2021, 06:29 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It absolutely is Will?s fault

Where is that perfect QB we can bring in gun? You got one, even on another team?

Didn't think so.
09-20-2021, 06:33 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Where is that perfect QB we can bring in gun? You got one, even on another team?

Didn't think so.

Don?t need a perfect one, although Ole Miss has a perfect one, we need accuracy + either mobility or arm strength. You?ve got to have one of those two tools to create explosive plays. It?s the only way to spread the defense out enough.

I?m fine if C34 calls me idiot for this comment, but I seriously don?t think we have scheme problem. I think we have a QB problem in that he lacks the talent to create explosive plays.
09-20-2021, 06:40 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Don?t need a perfect one, although Ole Miss has a perfect one, we need accuracy + either mobility or arm strength. You?ve got to have one of those two tools to create explosive plays. It?s the only way to spread the defense out enough.

I?m fine if C34 calls me idiot for this comment, but I seriously don?t think we have scheme problem. I think we have a QB problem in that he lacks the talent to create explosive plays.

Really, OM QB threw like 6 int last year in one game they lost. He is good but he is far from perfect.

You are missing one large gorilla in the room - Corral runs a different system.

Here is some more organizational wisdom from industry proven in case studies. Great people in bad systems are not successful. Average people in great systems can have some success. Great people in great systems has the most success. It really ain't rocket science just common sense but common sense is not very common any more.
09-20-2021, 06:50 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs

I honestly think it is because he doesn't have a choice and trusts his instincts. Needs that from the get go. He's just scared to make a mistake rather than to make a play until he is forced to. Only thing that makes sense to me.

Ding Ding Ding
09-20-2021, 06:53 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Really, OM QB threw like 6 int last year in one game they lost. He is good but he is far from perfect.

You are missing one large gorilla in the room - Corral runs a different system.

Here is some more organizational wisdom from industry proven in case studies. Great people in bad systems are not successful. Average people in great systems can have some success. Great people in great systems has the most success. It really ain't rocket science just common sense but common sense is not very common any more.

Corral did throw 6 picks in a game. But that fearless gunslinger mentality is also what almost beat Bama last year and will probably beat them this year. Bottom line, if you're in a game where you can throw 6 picks, you weren't winning anyway, so you might as well take your shots.
09-20-2021, 07:10 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Really, OM QB threw like 6 int last year in one game they lost. He is good but he is far from perfect.

You are missing one large gorilla in the room - Corral runs a different system.

Here is some more organizational wisdom from industry proven in case studies. Great people in bad systems are not successful. Average people in great systems can have some success. Great people in great systems has the most success. It really ain't rocket science just common sense but common sense is not very common any more.

Just wait till the NFL gets their vote on how talented Corral is.

If you can't see it, then I can't help you. Also explains your opinions on Rogers
09-20-2021, 07:11 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Corral did throw 6 picks in a game. But that fearless gunslinger mentality is also what almost beat Bama last year and will probably beat them this year. Bottom line, if you're in a game where you can throw 6 picks, you weren't winning anyway, so you might as well take your shots.

The gunslinger mentality helps, but it's about tools. Arm strength, mobility, quickness, release quickness. Corral is near the top of the scale in all those.
09-20-2021, 07:49 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The gunslinger mentality helps, but it's about tools. Arm strength, mobility, quickness, release quickness. Corral is near the top of the scale in all those.

He's got a 10 cent head though. Can't deny that
09-20-2021, 08:02 PM
Rawdawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Don?t need a perfect one, although Ole Miss has a perfect one, we need accuracy + either mobility or arm strength. You?ve got to have one of those two tools to create explosive plays. It?s the only way to spread the defense out enough.

I?m fine if C34 calls me idiot for this comment, but I seriously don?t think we have scheme problem. I think we have a QB problem in that he lacks the talent to create explosive plays.

What Will lacks in ability he can make up for with timing and decisiveness. In the past if Leach has a QB that is at or above 10 yards per completion his offense is successful. If Will hits the 10 ypc mark against memphis that?s another 66 yards of offense and a win.
09-20-2021, 08:03 PM
Rawdawg

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

What Will lacks in ability he can make up for with timing and decisiveness. In the past if Leach has a QB that is at or above 10 yards per completion his offense is successful. If Will hits the 10 ypc mark against memphis that?s another 66 yards of offense and a win.

He can make up that extra yard or so by getting the ball out quicker to the backs and making the right reads early in his progressions.
09-20-2021, 08:12 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

He's got a 10 cent head though. Can't deny that

I honestly haven't see a problem since the Arkansas game last year. Seems to me he's grown up
09-20-2021, 08:13 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

What Will lacks in ability he can make up for with timing and decisiveness. In the past if Leach has a QB that is at or above 10 yards per completion his offense is successful. If Will hits the 10 ypc mark against memphis that?s another 66 yards of offense and a win.

He can make up ground for sure, but I don't think a defense is ever going to respect his skill set by playing him differently
09-20-2021, 08:14 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

He can make up that extra yard or so by getting the ball out quicker to the backs and making the right reads early in his progressions.

Maybe. the offense can only go so fast & it usually requires quicker, twitchier players to play that fast. We all want Will to play faster, but frankly I'm not sure he's capable of playing faster
09-20-2021, 08:14 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This is correct and almost 100% due to a lack of mobility and/or arm strength by the QB. Leach has always had more talented QBs than this

I really think you just throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks.

Gardner and Will are pretty much the same kid. Talent wise all of it. From someone who knows both extremely well, take your L on this and move on. Listen to someone who knows. I wont argue with you about baseball pitches you need to drop this if you want any credibility that I know you crave on here. Leach has won with Anthony Gordon and Graham Harrell. Both of them are extremely like Will and Gardner. Just stop
09-20-2021, 08:21 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

His offense is not getting enough explosive plays- period. It is Wishbone 2020. Southern defenses with their speed plus their willingness to play the 3-8 the whole game has really hampered the effectiveness of the offense.

10+ yardage plays:

2017 Wash St- 17th in the country
2018 Wash St- 17th in the country
2019 Wash St- 6th in the country
2020 Miss State- 54th in the country
2021 Miss State- 65th in the country

20+ yardage plays:

2017 WS- 40th
2018 WS- 70th
2019- Tied 23rd
2020 State- 68th
2021 State- 72nd

We were 13th and 10th in the SEC last year
We are 12th and 9th this year with more experience and about as good of a WR group as we will ever have at State. We havent started facing the good defenses yet.

We will not make double digit drives against SEC defenses drive after drive. We have to change something because this isnt working.

We agree on this. We have to do more than we are doing. Nobody is going to go 16 plays and score consistently. those are great drives awesome to watch and you love it when it happens. But the law of averages doesnt allow you to do it time after time. You will eventually screw something up. And we do that a lot
09-20-2021, 08:36 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

f you're in a game where you can throw 6 picks, you weren't winning anyway, so you might as well take your shots.

What's crazy is they still had a chance to win that game, lol.
09-20-2021, 08:36 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We agree on this. We have to do more than we are doing. Nobody is going to go 16 plays and score consistently. those are great drives awesome to watch and you love it when it happens. But the law of averages doesnt allow you to do it time after time. You will eventually screw something up. And we do that a lot

Yep that is just it. No team can throw the ball 60 times a game and not expect some bad things to happen on a % of them. Only 33% are good on every throw and I could argue less than that if you count sacks.
09-20-2021, 08:38 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Corral did throw 6 picks in a game. But that fearless gunslinger mentality is also what almost beat Bama last year and will probably beat them this year. Bottom line, if you're in a game where you can throw 6 picks, you weren't winning anyway, so you might as well take your shots.

The point was gun said Corral is perfect but 6 picks says he ain't. I didn't say pushing it isn't sometimes good. We had a guy do that once too.
09-20-2021, 08:57 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Gardner and Will are pretty much the same kid.

Statements like this make me realize why you have the opinions you do. I don't blame you anymore. I understand now that I know what you're seeing

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