From what I'm hearing...

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Antitrust rules. If the top three or four dozen schools form their own organization, they can maybe try to get back to some model of amateurism. The state laws prohibiting NIL rules impacting eligibility may stop that. But that would be one potential benefit. If there are multiple college sports leagues, they are no longer control the market for college athletics. They de facto do, but it is because the value is in the brands, not because they have basically every college other than JUCO and NAIA. There will be many more colleges outside of whatever they form that are welcome to pay players if they think it makes sense.

I don't think this is what is driving it, but if it weren't for the NIL rules, it's the next step they should take to try to stop all the value their brands create from going to athletes. If athletes believe they are generating the value, they can go convince Akron to pay them.

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You're hitting on it. The NCAA is not set up to manage all the issues these programs are facing because the NCAA includes 350ish schools that do not have common interests with the SEC schools and others at the top of the football power structure. More flexibility and power to effect change is required going forward.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Antitrust rules. If the top three or four dozen schools form their own organization, they can maybe try to get back to some model of amateurism. The state laws prohibiting NIL rules impacting eligibility may stop that. But that would be one potential benefit. If there are multiple college sports leagues, they are no longer control the market for college athletics. They de facto do, but it is because the value is in the brands, not because they have basically every college other than JUCO and NAIA. There will be many more colleges outside of whatever they form that are welcome to pay players if they think it makes sense.

I don't think this is what is driving it, but if it weren't for the NIL rules, it's the next step they should take to try to stop all the value their brands create from going to athletes. If athletes believe they are generating the value, they can go convince Akron to pay them.

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You're crazy if you think breaking away from the NCAA would increase the level of amateurism.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

Then, please explain 'WHY' they need $14,162,770.00 of CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS laying around AND $400,464,839.00 in INVESTMENTS!

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As a person who invests MUCH more than that for a governmental ?non-profit?, $400 million in investments is NOTHING!!! Those investments are likely VERY short term fixed income instruments that are very liquid and used to fund day to day operations

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Originally Posted by smootness

You're crazy if you think breaking away from the NCAA would increase the level of amateurism.

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Compared to the wild west that is coming, yes. A more accurate statement would have been to say that it will provide a way for the participating schools to maintain compensation that is commensurate with other minor league sports, rather than having an arms race dynamic in which athletes capture the vast majority of the value that is created by the university brands. But again, the antitrust issue is still hypothetical. Having competing collegiate sports organizations with different rules does not get around the state NIL laws.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

This is not at all about OU and Texas. This is about the SEC aligning the powers that be to rid ourselves of the NCAA. If so, I applaud Sankey and SEC leadership for taking the the power of our conference and use it to get things accomplished.

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By no means am I a fan of the NCAA, but be careful what you wish for with getting rid of the NCAA. Some of the worst violators of regulations in the past have been from the SEC, and I can't imagine that having self policing from our own conference would help that.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

This is not at all about OU and Texas. This is about the SEC aligning the powers that be to rid ourselves of the NCAA. If so, I applaud Sankey and SEC leadership for taking the the power of our conference and use it to get things accomplished.

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The SEC is even more powerful in baseball now, so I'm hoping the SEC can pressure the NCAA to expand baseball scholarships or the new SEC do something like increase our own baseball scholarship numbers for SEC schools.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I thought the NCAA was a non profit organization run by school Presidents from around the country that was created to protect college athletes. How in the hell does it make a billion dollars? There's just something fundamentally wrong with that.

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If you are correct there is going to be another real big money problem and that is that Reggie Bush/Todd McNair issue. A retrial is in progress because the NCAA somehow got its appellate attorney on the jury first trial. It is so dire for the NCAA that the Courts are ordering the NCAA to pay both sides of litigation during their appeals. The NCAA is now seen as unclean in the eyes of the Court. Because of this the NCAA needs to settle with McNair to get out of the jaws of litigation. This is similar to Jackie Sherrill getting settled with. Reggie Bush has now put the NCAA in a bad posture requesting his Heisman be reinstated. The Heisman trust wants nothing to do with this so it is deferring to the NCAA? If the NCAA goes to court and looses to McNair, then sticks with it's attitude towards Reggie Bush, the punishment to the NCAA will be amplified because of a dirty organization still playing dirty? How can the NCAA rid itself of McNair and not reinstate the Heisman?

As Jack said there is something fundamentally wrong with a non profit organization screwing up so bad that tens of millions of dollars are going to be paid to McNair? Just an example of the NCAAs short shelf life of the future. Time to set up something else?

Only reason the ncaa is in a bad spot here, is because federal and state legislatures decided that athletes needed to be paid. So the ncaa is in a no win situation in court.

It would be similar to California saying wearing a football helmet isn't safe any longer. Then you were sued by former players because you made them wear football helmets for practice and games.

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Only reason the ncaa is in a bad spot here, is because federal and state legislatures decided that athletes needed to be paid. So the ncaa is in a no win situation in court.

It would be similar to California saying wearing a football helmet isn't safe any longer. Then you were sued by former players because you made them wear football helmets for practice and games.

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The NCAA situation is an all encompassing evolution of the Courts. Federal and State legislatures did not draft up anything, they just chose to not impede the Courts. This is because governmental agencies see the NCAA just as the Courts see them, very dirty in their dealings while so called representing college athletics. The NCAA is in a no win environment because of its past misconduct and there is no escape, whats been seen cant be unseen?

Many many states have drafted and passed bills.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/...tion-by-state/

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Many many states have drafted and passed bills.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/...tion-by-state/

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The accurate and on point information you presented has merit but this is after the fact that the Courts have spoken? The bills are just administrative compliance processes?

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Why would OU and Texas want to leave their conference and join forces with the sec for the purpose of leaving the ncaa?

I briefly studied the SEC financials today. Trying to find what it cost to be a member of the ncaa. I found it cost nothing. As a matter of fact, the ncaa sends the conferences money.

Or... do the networks pay a portion of the tv contract to the ncaa and a portion to conferences? Which I can see each school wanting to cut out the ncaa if that were the case.

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I wouldn't say it cost nothing. We sent 700k to the NCAA for their cut of our regional.