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My bad- 8 seeds behind us at 5-8. Point remains and we would have made the NIT regardless. Program remains at Stands-level which is what most of our fans care about at the end of the day. Hopefully we meet up with Stands in our bracket. That would be awesome.
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I definitely don't think we can fire Howland, but I would not be upset if he retired after the season.
Personally I think that would be a blow for MSU. I just don't trust Cohen with any hires at this point. We would probably bring in someone that wants to be the players friends and that won't work at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog1
Howland's style is just not fun to watch, and you have to be able to shoot 3s to compete right now. I also want to see some different defense other than m2m... Mix in some zone, or some pressure here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We can?t avoid making a move if it?s needed just because we?re afraid Cohen will screw it up. He ain?t going nowhere for a while & Howland has to make the NCAAT next season to get another season after next. We can?t just bring him back knowing we?re going to maintain mediocrity just because we don?t want Cohen making a hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Why is that so difficult for others to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Stop trying to be right when you are way wrong. Only 16 teams made it this year for the NIT. There are 0 5-8 seed teams this year. We are probably the weakest 4 seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by Bulldog1
That may be but I feel like with Howland we have a chance to have another good year next year with a more veteran team. Molinar, probably Stewart, Tolu, Post, and Javian Davis will all be juniors. And then Fountain, Deivon, and Montgomery will be sophomores. And Matthews could be better next year too. And then if he can keep this group mostly together for two years we could be even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
So, short term let's see what Howland can do with this group. If he doesn't make the NCAA's with them next year then maybe we look at making a change but as it is he basically made the NIT with a group that was basically all freshmen and sophomores. To me that's not a bad job unless it's a team with like five McDonald's All Americans or something like that.
If he retires or we make a change we're probably going to try to bring in someone that "runs a more exciting brand of basketball" which typically for us "more exciting brand" means rebuild because we don't have the players to run a more exciting brand or the leadership to hold it together on the team like we do with baseball. So, I'd rather have a chance at a decent two year run rather than an almost guaranteed rebuild again.
Give it up. This kind of thinking is not accepted here. We should accept our mediocrity and move on. It is the best MSU can do. SmhQuote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Only 6 teams in the sec have made postseason play the last 3 times: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, LSU, state, and tenn. If you go ncaa tourney only, that list goes down to Florida and tenn.
Making the ncaa tourney is hard. Expecting every year is just unrealistic.
ETA... covid is the only reason tenn's ncaa streak is still alive. They would've most likely made NIT though
Look again. There are 16 teams. 4 x 1's, 4 x 2's, 4 x 3's & 4 x 4'2. State is a 4 seed, from #13 - #16. So, we could have been "last one in."Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And, your hatred for our former coach 'knows no bounds.'
The one and done rule and the rise of Mid-majors has altered the landscape for making the tournament. So much so that Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, and Indiana are nowhere to be found. UCLA is in a play-in game. Programs that have dominated college basketball for decades can't make the dance.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Why is this SO hard for you to understand? There are only 16 teams! NO TEAMS ARE 5 - 8. LOWEST SEED IS A 4. MSU is a FOUR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Serious question .. Did Stans 17 your wife, sister, girlfriend, you or mom?
Someone has stated that he has made it known to the administration that he plans to retire after next year. Don't know whether that is true or not but makes sense. Year after next will likely be another transition year with new guys so it would make sense that next year would be Howland's last rodeo. He is no Spring chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog1
Howland returning, getting us in ncaa, and retiring after would be just about a perfect situation for us. We'd then need to pony up some money for a good hire. We would be a much more attractive job with howland retiring rather than us running him off while getting postseason play.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Louisville, Seton Hall, St. John's, Duke, and Xavier all said no thanks which allowed us to get in. We got the next to last seed as Saint Louis was the #2 overall seed. I don't really care, because I'm glad we are still playing. In a regular year with a 32 team NIT we'd probably have been a #6 seed. Many times you see a team with most guys coming back get into the NIT and parlay that into a NCAA birth the next year. Maybe, that's us.
It's just way things are now days, wait when we lose a Sec weekend baseball series, Lemonis will be ED's hot-seat*Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don’t know wtf I was looking at last night. Anyway- pointing out facts about Stands is not hatred. It’s simply informing to spread knowledgeQuote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
I hope that is the case. Howland will not have a team as talented as 2019 again...Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania