Jamarcus Russell never got another shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
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Jamarcus Russell never got another shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Just about every single quarterback in the nfl that ends up being a really good player comes from a college where he didn’t have 10 seconds to throw to 5 star wide receivers. When you are a quarterback at Mississippi State or somewhere similar you are used to throwing into tight windows and not having all day to process where you need to go with the football. I don’t know why these franchises keep wasting their time on quarterbacks who play 3 years on PlayStation JV mode.
It sure does seem that way. I heard Steve Young say it the other night, "There's alabama open and then there's nfl open, not even close to the same thing". He's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Haskins cleared waivers so he's a free agent. Let the bidding begin, or not.
Very true. I wonder if playing at Alabama actually hurts their development somewhat because they don't have to deal with pressure from a defense as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I agree. Playing at an average school either prepares you for the future better because you have seen collapsing pockets and wide receivers who can’t get separation, or maybe it exposes your flaws better so you are drafted correctly. Guys like Haskins and Tua play almost every game of their entire career in a situation where their O-Line is superior to the opponents D-Line, and their wideouts are superior to the opponents defensive backs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Let’s take Tua. He may very well turn into a great QB. But there is no doubt that if he had gone to NC State, Purdue, Kentucky, Kansas State, Mississippi State, etc. he would have played many games where his team did NOT have superior talent to the opponent. The result would have been an improved ability to handle that situation, which would serve him well today. Or maybe it would expose flaws and he would have been drafted in the second or third round.
I suppose with this board's theory that all blue blood qbs are overrated, you guys would pass on Lawrence at #1?
No. But I?m not at all sold on Fields. To me, Fields and Lawrence aren?t close. After Lawrence, I?d trade back and try to get Corral or Trask in the early 2nd RD. Corral is just as talented and Trask is the best mentallyQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I would take Lawrence #1. But would Tua have been drafted #5 out of Arizona or Wake Forest? If Burrow had played at Arkansas, would he have been the number 1 pick? I’m not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Blue blood QBs are tremendously flawed but so are everyone else’s. It’s an incredibly hard position to evaluate and not really any college excels at producing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
Instead of looking at the helmet, look at the tools. Arm strength, athleticism, accuracy, strength, feet, and feel when throwing the football along with some good college production.
That method gets Mahomes, Wilson, Rogers, and Herbert at the top of your draft board.
Here's a breakdown of where the starting qbs in nfl came from. Keep in mind, I accounted for injuries. For example, I counted dallas as dak, and thus, miss state.
8/32 starters in nfl are from blue bloods: Michigan, Oklahoma x3, Bama, LSU, usc. and Clemson.
26/32 starters are from P5. On this, I didn't count bridgewater and Alex smith as P5 bc they weren't when drafted.
I think 25% of nfl starters being from blue bloods is a pretty impressive stat. Keep in mind, blue bloods only account for less than 10% of college football programs. There's 32 spots for a starting qb, and there are a ton of new prospects every year.
I realize Oklahoma is really talented but I put their guys into a slightly different category than Bama, Clem, and Ohio State.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
However, I’d guard against judging these guys by their college. Tua’s problem is not that he played for Bama, it’s that he’s frail, has below average arm strength, and is an excuse maker. Look no further than how often he limped at Bama after a bad throw.
Are the windows Oklahoma qbs throw into in the big12 smaller than Bama, Clemson, and Ohio st? Do OK qbs see more pressure?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think OU’s scheme and bad defense makes the QB shoulder more of the burden. I’m not saying it’s like playing QB at MSU, but it feels like outcome of the game is more on the weight of an Oklahoma QB than it is other blue bloods. Maybe I’m wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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The stories on some of the stuff he did is pretty embarrassing. Like being given a blank film tape because the staff didn't think he was watching tape and they exposed him for not watching film to prep for games.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
That dude is is most certainly Top 2 draft busts of all time. Some think Leaf was worse but those two are always battling for that top spot of biggest bust.
Well no, because Tua can't carry a mid tier to a NC. Arkansas was an absolute train wreck and as good as Burrow is... he couldn't have carried that team to a NC.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
To add to your point, Dak would have been a first round pick if he had played at LSU and his college career played out the same.
He sure wouldn't have been taken in on a false DUI charge in Baton Rouge, for one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Another bust