Here Are the Facts, Fellas

And I'll add- I find it odd that MSU doesn't put more into football recruiting. I'm not even talking about a Network. It's almost like MSU expects Tony Hughes and the guys in the office to do all the work.

I'm not expecting us to put in Alabama levels of money- and I don't think anyone else is. But we certainly could put in more money.

We also are terrible at perception. Always have been. It doesn't help that we have zero media support. It does make me wonder is we slipped some writers some money under the table if we would get some more positive press.

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Originally Posted by hailstate88

We need coaches that can coach, recruit, AND cheat. Cannot get stepped on repeatedly by OM, and Kiffin is for sure cheating, so I think we need all three, respectively

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The reality is though- Ole Miss only got two Mississippi recruits that we "wanted"- Buckhaulter and Daniels. Both appear to be plants to flip. We certainly could have done the same thing with some of our in state guys. And we landed a guy that was their top o-line target in Reese.

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Originally Posted by hailstate88

We need coaches that can coach, recruit, AND cheat. Cannot get stepped on repeatedly by OM, and Kiffin is for sure cheating, so I think we need all three, respectively

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And Cheat? Win at all costs - what ever happened to ethics? Has everybody lost their ever loving mind?

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And Cheat? Win at all costs - what ever happened to ethics? Has everybody lost their ever loving mind?

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Depends on how good you want to be. Ethics is great. I submit that the entire college football system setup is unethical, therefore, operating within the bounds of an unethical model allows us to try and do whatever we can to get players in. Is that unethical? What's unethical is what happened to Makylan Pounders.

Point is, you don't win if you don't cheat. Period. There isn't a single successful program that sits at home and thinks about more ethical ways to acquire talent. If you don't acquire talent you don't win at a high level. So we need to find ways to acquire higher level talent. If we don't, we won't surpass where we've been.

There are no ethics in SEC football anymore!!

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And Cheat? Win at all costs - what ever happened to ethics? Has everybody lost their ever loving mind?

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Ethics are a thing of the past ....where have you been ? We have a segment of our population that rules and laws don't apply to and anyone who disrupts that or even questions it will be ostracized, and castigated from society... it's that way in the NCAA, and certainly politics.

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

Ethics are a thing of the past ....where have you been ? We have a segment of our population that rules and laws don't apply to and anyone who disrupts that or even questions it will be ostracized, and castigated from society... it's that way in the NCAA, and certainly politics.

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No they are not. At the end of the day doing the right thing is more important.

How would you feel telling your son that and he goes out and kills somebody? Tell the judge ethics don't matter?

Good lord.

Some of y'all are worse than Ole Miss fans.

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Originally Posted by Brahmabull

There are no ethics in SEC football anymore!!

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Anymore?

I wasn't aware there ever was

Does that mean we have to be scum too?

To Those that want to cheat ...... I hope you have ponied up your $$$$$. Or....are you just wanting to spend other people's money?

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Originally Posted by AROB44

To Those that want to cheat ...... I hope you have ponied up your $$$$$. Or....are you just wanting to spend other people's money?

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This is one of my favorite dumbass takes amongst the MSU fan base.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Does that mean we have to be scum too?

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No. But it does mean that you have to play within the gray area as hard as you can just like every other damn program in the SEC. and sometimes you will have to step outside of that gray area for game changing athletes if you actually want to win something.

If you’d rather MSU sit there in morals and always be an “also ran” then I would posit that maybe you should not follow college football because every team does it. MSU does it...we just do it really poorly. So what you are saying is that you would rather us continue networking poorly than up our game to compete. Both are cheating. Just one actually ends with championships.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

To Those that want to cheat ...... I hope you have ponied up your $$$$$. Or....are you just wanting to spend other people's money?

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Even if someone wanted to help out they couldn’t. There is nothing there to really help with.

Guys, my late SuperDawg Dad took me to my 1st MSU game in 1963 & I am a hardcore Dawg and Class of 77( 50 plus years season tickets). We have done our share of cheating in my life but seldom been very good at it if you check our record of probations over the years. Seems like every time we got pretty good the NCAA struck with UM involvement it seems. Just saying. Hail State and GTHOM! Maybe we $hould work on this!***

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

No. But it does mean that you have to play within the gray area as hard as you can just like every other damn program in the SEC. and sometimes you will have to step outside of that gray area for game changing athletes if you actually want to win something.

If you’d rather MSU sit there in morals and always be an “also ran” then I would posit that maybe you should not follow college football because every team does it. MSU does it...we just do it really poorly. So what you are saying is that you would rather us continue networking poorly than up our game to compete. Both are cheating. Just one actually ends with championships.

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No wonder kids come out of college with no respect for rules and regulations - laws. If the adults don't why should they? And we wonder whether are so messed up!

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

A hundred years from now very few of us will be remembered by anybody living at that time. So if we focus all our attention on the successes of this world what will it have gained for us. When we die our money, fame, and honors will be meaningless. We own nothing in this world. Everything we think we own is in reality only being loaned to us until we die. And on our deathbed at the moment of death, no one but God can save our souls.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

No wonder kids come out of college with no respect for rules and regulations - laws. If the adults don't why should they? And we wonder whether are so messed up!

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

A hundred years from now very few of us will be remembered by anybody living at that time. So if we focus all our attention on the successes of this world what will it have gained for us. When we die our money, fame, and honors will be meaningless. We own nothing in this world. Everything we think we own is in reality only being loaned to us until we die. And on our deathbed at the moment of death, no one but God can save our souls.

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Amen!

We had an evaluator that developed players but he left. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. We're stuck with Leach for a while. Better get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Does that mean we have to be scum too?

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If you want to win? Yes, it means we have to be scum.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

No wonder kids come out of college with no respect for rules and regulations - laws. If the adults don't why should they? And we wonder whether are so messed up!

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

A hundred years from now very few of us will be remembered by anybody living at that time. So if we focus all our attention on the successes of this world what will it have gained for us. When we die our money, fame, and honors will be meaningless. We own nothing in this world. Everything we think we own is in reality only being loaned to us until we die. And on our deathbed at the moment of death, no one but God can save our souls.

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You’re not wrong. But I think you’re overselling things. It’s college football. It’s entertainment. A game. You should not kill people, steal, rape, etc. but the rules of college football have changed unofficially and if we don’t keep up we might as well cut funding to it and use it for baseball and women’s basketball.

To say we aren’t already greasing some palms is silly so...is that acceptable but should we also cut that out as well?

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

This is one of my favorite dumbass takes amongst the MSU fan base.

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Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but as one who was involved back in the day (primarily Tyler days), I am of the opinion that message boards are not the optimum place for these kind of discussions. Thank goodness they didn't exist back then. We would have been caught much sooner and hammered worse.