College Football Is In A Really Bad Spot

I agree there are issues but to cut scholarships opens has major issues

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

I agree there are issues but to cut scholarships opens has major issues

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There isn't a single issue because all scholarships would be allocated to different sports or to the university. Not one less kid would receive a scholarship.

Perhaps you should read it again because no one is vouching for lowering the number of athletic scholarships

85 to 70 says different. You are reducing football to make you somehow feel like you are leveling the playing field. The money sports are losing players so you can spread to other sports. You can say you are spreading them but you are reducing opportunities to athletes in one sport ( football) because you don?t like the outcomes now

Just a question for honest conversation. How is this reduction not going to have a profound effect to those that play football.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Just a question for honest conversation. How is this reduction not going to have a profound effect to those that play football.

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So football players are more important than baseball, soccer, & tennis players?

Not following your logic

Not following your logic. These programs still have their athletes. So you are saying eliminate 900 college football athletes in just Power 5 Conferences to give to tennis, baseball etc. Even though these programs are totally funded by football.
By the way have you thought about the trickle down to each level of college. Eventually you have run many young people out of a sport way too early

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Not following your logic. These programs still have their athletes. So you are saying eliminate 900 college football athletes in just Power 5 Conferences to give to tennis, baseball etc. Even though these programs are totally funded by football.
By the way have you thought about the trickle down to each level of college. Eventually you have run many young people out of a sport way too early

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The only people that would be run out of the sport are the absolute worst football players in the country. Guys that would be playing D3 football. Those are the only ones losing here & those programs don't make any money.

So yeah, to make college football significantly more competitive & to protect the future of the sport & finances of the sport due to producing a better product, I'm perfectly willing to tell the absolute worst college football players in America that they can't play college football. And to top it all off, I may be able to still give those ex players a scholarship with the ones that are saved through this.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Not following your logic. These programs still have their athletes. So you are saying eliminate 900 college football athletes in just Power 5 Conferences to give to tennis, baseball etc. Even though these programs are totally funded by football.
By the way have you thought about the trickle down to each level of college. Eventually you have run many young people out of a sport way too early

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Playing college football is not a right. Take those extra 15 scholarships and give them to 15 low income households with the best grades as academic scholarships if that makes you feel better.

There are some athletic departments and sports programs that are really struggling right now. Take my word for it or watch 60 minutes tomorrow night.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Playing college football is not a right. Take those extra 15 scholarships and give them to 15 low income households with the best grades if that makes you feel better.

There are some athletic departments and sports programs that are really struggling right now. Take my word for it or watch 60 minutes tomorrow night.

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Funny thing is I totally agree with what he has said but to say do this without looking at the effects is sad to be honest. You can?t just say drop 15 without looking at the problems that trickle down. I appreciate the response to this. You gave a specific solution to a response. I like that. The problem I have is how do you make that happen. Great idea by the way.
See I?m still waiting on the long term effects of this extra year to many athletes. At some point someone pays the price and I think it may be bad for many.
Anyway much love y?all. I agree we have issues with the rich getting richer in sports but unfortunately they didn?t get rich being dumb. The rules change they will also because at the end of the day they kinda are the rule.

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Funny thing is I totally agree with what he has said but to say do this without looking at the effects is sad to be honest. You can?t just say drop 15 without looking at the problems that trickle down. I appreciate the response to this. You gave a specific solution to a response. I like that. The problem I have is how do you make that happen. Great idea by the way.
See I?m still waiting on the long term effects of this extra year to many athletes. At some point someone pays the price and I think it may be bad for many.
Anyway much love y?all. I agree we have issues with the rich getting richer in sports but unfortunately they didn?t get rich being dumb. The rules change they will also because at the end of the day they kinda are the rule.

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The best programs are still going to be the best. But in basketball and baseball, if you do things the right way, you have a chance. In college football, that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

The best programs are still going to be the best. But in basketball and baseball, if you do things the right way, you have a chance. In college football, that's not the case.

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The reason being that these sports are able to be coached in a couple different ways. One and done or a older core group. You do understand that. Maybe college football needs the one and done.

One thing that will "fix" this is Saban retiring in a few years. I expect Alabama to be what they were in between the Bear and Saban once that happens.

Is it really that different than any other era?

Miami, Nebraska, Florida, USC, et al. have had similar runs.

LSU won last year in dominating fashion.

These cycles seem to naturally change.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

Is it really that different than any other era?

Miami, Nebraska, Florida, USC, et al. have had similar runs.

LSU won last year in dominating fashion.

These cycles seem to naturally change.

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They same 4 didn't dominate it like the top 4 programs have in the playoff era

This is the most ironic game to start this thread about. A defending National champ and a blue blood just lost by 38. A game they won last year. LOL

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

I didn?t read through it all because I?ve seen it before. So please tell me what happens to all these players who now lose opportunities at a college scholarship because you think it?s unfair. Tell me. Let?s take opportunities away because you aren?t happy

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It filters through. A lot of these kids getting last minute very low tier D1 offers would now play D2 ball or FCS ball. And some of these kids playing D2 and FCS ball will now drop to D3. So you aren't really taking opportunities away from the top kids. You end up taking away opportunities from the lower tier kids.

And I'll stand on my soap box and say this. Yes I know D3 really does a good job at teaching guys the game and sportsmanship. But as a former teacher and current administrator, I think we have too many kids sacrificing their high school and college time playing to end up play at the lowest levels of college football. They get pulled out of classes constantly, practice until 8-9 o clock at night, wake up at 5 in the morning to practice at 6, but they barely graduate high school or learn the skills/knowledge they need to be successful after they are done because they are tired and solely focused on football.

So instead of going to the University of the Cumberlands to play football and quit in 2 years, they could pay their way, go to a Troy, Jacksonville State, or local community college, and chase a more realistic dream and focus their time more on what they will do for their real job.

And I'm speaking 100% from experience. I have taught a number of kids that should have given it up before they did. But the system keeps them in. Meanwhile, they struggle in high school and ultimately college, but folks say, well they never would have gotten that opportunity without football. But with high school head coaches making in some cases triple what classroom teacher are making, every available resource is going to go there.

I think we absolutely need a scholarship reduction in college football and there's why. Rant over.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

So football players are more important than baseball, soccer, & tennis players?

Not following your logic

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Yes

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

It filters through. A lot of these kids getting last minute very low tier D1 offers would now play D2 ball or FCS ball. And some of these kids playing D2 and FCS ball will now drop to D3. So you aren't really taking opportunities away from the top kids. You end up taking away opportunities from the lower tier kids.

And I'll stand on my soap box and say this. Yes I know D3 really does a good job at teaching guys the game and sportsmanship. But as a former teacher and current administrator, I think we have too many kids sacrificing their high school and college time playing to end up play at the lowest levels of college football. They get pulled out of classes constantly, practice until 8-9 o clock at night, wake up at 5 in the morning to practice at 6, but they barely graduate high school or learn the skills/knowledge they need to be successful after they are done because they are tired and solely focused on football.

So instead of going to the University of the Cumberlands to play football and quit in 2 years, they could pay their way, go to a Troy, Jacksonville State, or local community college, and chase a more realistic dream and focus their time more on what they will do for their real job.

And I'm speaking 100% from experience. I have taught a number of kids that should have given it up before they did. But the system keeps them in. Meanwhile, they struggle in high school and ultimately college, but folks say, well they never would have gotten that opportunity without football. But with high school head coaches making in some cases triple what classroom teacher are making, every available resource is going to go there.

I think we absolutely need a scholarship reduction in college football and there's why. Rant over.

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The best teams are unwatchable.

Bama is up 45-14 at half time in their biggest game of the year.

Clemson cruises easily today

Ohio State wins 52-12 without their head coach & 3 starting OL.

This is a problem folks. You can look the other way, talk about all the money the sport is making, yada yada yada, but this is a real problem. The top end of the sport is unwatchable.

The Egg Bowl, A&M vs Auburn, LSU vs Arkansas, MSU vs another mid level teams, the sport is great, but at the top end. The level where the championship & the history of the sport is written, the games absolutely suck.

Here are Alabama's CBS games this season:

52-24 vs A&M who may make the playoffs
41-24 over UGA
48-17 over TN
42-13 over Auburn
45-14 over LSU AT THE HALF.

The CBS SEC package is a big pile of steaming shit. It's an unwatchable product & will fall in the public's popularity if something isn't done. It cannot continue like this.

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I agree but it ain't gonna change. As long as the bandwagon Bama fans hang on, it will continue.

With the financial strains on Universities now is the perfect time to cut football schollies to 55-60. We can play with 45, we proved it.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

It filters through. A lot of these kids getting last minute very low tier D1 offers would now play D2 ball or FCS ball. And some of these kids playing D2 and FCS ball will now drop to D3. So you aren't really taking opportunities away from the top kids. You end up taking away opportunities from the lower tier kids.

And I'll stand on my soap box and say this. Yes I know D3 really does a good job at teaching guys the game and sportsmanship. But as a former teacher and current administrator, I think we have too many kids sacrificing their high school and college time playing to end up play at the lowest levels of college football. They get pulled out of classes constantly, practice until 8-9 o clock at night, wake up at 5 in the morning to practice at 6, but they barely graduate high school or learn the skills/knowledge they need to be successful after they are done because they are tired and solely focused on football.

So instead of going to the University of the Cumberlands to play football and quit in 2 years, they could pay their way, go to a Troy, Jacksonville State, or local community college, and chase a more realistic dream and focus their time more on what they will do for their real job.

And I'm speaking 100% from experience. I have taught a number of kids that should have given it up before they did. But the system keeps them in. Meanwhile, they struggle in high school and ultimately college, but folks say, well they never would have gotten that opportunity without football. But with high school head coaches making in some cases triple what classroom teacher are making, every available resource is going to go there.

I think we absolutely need a scholarship reduction in college football and there's why. Rant over.

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Good post and I agree. But the high schools, parents, everyone has supported this ridiculous philosophy. Sports is everything. Academics don't even matter.

Parents spend their retirements on sending their kids to every camp, improvement clinic, etc. while they are failing school. This is one reason why our culture and society is falling apart. The Roman empire fell when it became so obsessed with sports and entertainment. The other key piece is the moral fabric has also eroded.