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11-08-2020, 08:02 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Stuff like this is why I blame the players and not the coaches.

Well, you're wrong.
11-08-2020, 08:10 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Fader21

All it is, is fans see our players as just that, fans. Our players outside of Errol Thompson are young and inexperienced and just plain out not good at this point. We lucked up last year and got a bowl game. Everyone should of known that Mullen left us pretty bare in recruiting at the end. Moorhead was getting good recruits but has a young team that didn't understand his system fully. Same thing with Leach. It's always Jimmy's and Joe's before X's and O's when things are going good but not the same when things are bad. Why is that?

Nevermind the players turned on Moorhead. The total lack of discipline and lack of a s/c program. The players didn't force him to empty the clock and call crazy ass timeouts because he couldn't get a play called. And let's not forget he had his handpicked QB who knew his system. We've had two coaches that have completely tied themselves to their systems with no flexibility.
Is recruiting tough here? Absolutely, but we still recruit about a top 25 level. We've played at a bottom 25 level. That's on the coach. Especially with a top 5 defense.
11-08-2020, 08:27 AM
Sienfield

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

Vanderbilt adjusted and we didn?t...

It seemed to me that MSU offensive line lined up closer together in the first half than the second half but I only checked for that a few times.

Our offense needs to throw passes further than two yards. I don't know how down field is not open when 8 defensive players are within the first five yards of the line of scrimmage on every play.
11-08-2020, 08:31 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

They are running tempo and consistently snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock. No check with me. Did Moorhead just try to make us suck or did our guys just not know what to do at all?

Difference is he is not HC. HC has told him what he can do.
11-08-2020, 08:33 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Nevermind the players turned on Moorhead. The total lack of discipline and lack of a s/c program. The players didn't force him to empty the clock and call crazy ass timeouts because he couldn't get a play called. And let's not forget he had his handpicked QB who knew his system. We've had two coaches that have completely tied themselves to their systems with no flexibility.
Is recruiting tough here? Absolutely, but we still recruit about a top 25 level. We've played at a bottom 25 level. That's on the coach. Especially with a top 5 defense.

Totally agree.
11-08-2020, 12:13 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Well, you're wrong.

Oh yeah? Tell me which players on offense are going to play in the NFL next year if we're so good?
11-08-2020, 12:41 PM
civildawg

What about the nfl players on vandys defense?
11-08-2020, 12:47 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Oh yeah? Tell me which players on offense are going to play in the NFL next year if we're so good?

Eiland will. Kylin Hill will. Most of the rest are young. But how many offensive players do we normally put in the NFL that arent OL? Mullen won without putting many offensives guys in the NFL. Joe Moorhead was a joke! Even the players will tell you how bad it was.
11-08-2020, 01:05 PM
MafiaDawg

Greg Eliand? Do wuut? He has regressed tremendously and barely gets in the way of the DL. He is not sniffing the NFL. Haha.
11-08-2020, 01:14 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by MafiaDawg

Greg Eliand? Do wuut? He has regressed tremendously and barely gets in the way of the DL. He is not sniffing the NFL. Haha.

He's not a tackle and the NFL likes him for some reason.
11-08-2020, 01:33 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Eiland will. Kylin Hill will. Most of the rest are young. But how many offensive players do we normally put in the NFL that arent OL? Mullen won without putting many offensives guys in the NFL. Joe Moorhead was a joke! Even the players will tell you how bad it was.

Eiland won't last long in the NFL if they take him. His feet are horrible. Hill had major attitude issues and isn't on the team anymore. Thanks for proving my point.
11-08-2020, 02:05 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

How can people blame the players? Seriously?

In 2016 were 7th in the conference in ypg, 7th in ppg. What NFL talent did we have on O? Rankin redshirted, Jenkins was young, Aerris and Fitz and the WRs never did anything in the NFL. NO, it was Mullen that created a system that allowed us to be far better than our NFL potential.

Hell, that year with So Fitz we had 209 passing yards per game, MORE THAN MIKE LEACH CAN GET VS VANDY!

Then in 2017 we finished 6th in ypg, 7th in points. We returned literally everything on O, and under Moorhead we went and 10th in both ypg and ppg. Same players, 1 year more experienced and well developed, big droppoff in performance. It wasn't the players, it was JoMo refusing to fit his system to them.

And now we run the air raid and it's getting worse results than JoMo's offense. But it's the players? Our lack of NFL guys? We're seriously asking what players will play in the NFL as if you need NFL players to put up more than 209 yards of O on VANDY?

Look if we had Dak, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Elgton Jenkins I'm sure the O would be better than it is. The point is not that we have amazing players or that players don't matter, the point is that if you can't see our scheme is failing to maximize what we have I can't help you
11-08-2020, 02:13 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Eiland won't last long in the NFL if they take him. His feet are horrible. Hill had major attitude issues and isn't on the team anymore. Thanks for proving my point.

I'm still waiting on you to explain how Mullen won games without NFL talent. Nobody said our roster was good this year. But Mullen would win 6 with it.
11-08-2020, 02:21 PM
coachnorm

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Moorhead works for a HC- the HC tells him what he wants on offense. Moorhead's HC has told him to stop dragging out the playclock with that silly shit. Snap the ball and run the play

I have watched Kiffin try that play clock stuff against Stanford while at USC. Stanford backers did split vision and watched the play clock. When it got under 2 or 3 seconds, backers communicated the play clock to the defensive linemen and the linemen started to charge as the ball was snapped or possibly a nanosecond before the offense snapped the ball? Also I have watched this occur at JUCO games while I was coaching FWIW?

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