Question for the CDM supporters

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Please stop saying this. Every coach in America who had been on the job for 5 years or less is playing with someone else's recruits to some extent. Croom was awful. He was a bad coach, and a worse recruiter. And his players were always in trouble, even though he was all about high character. It was a complete debacle, a PR stunt. We set out to make a "historic hire", not the best football hire. And still, if that was our number 1 goal, there were a dozen better and more qualified coaches to choose from. That was a disaster. I digress. Croom had 1 good class, due to riding Ellis Johnson's defense to his line bowl appearance combined with the luck of MS having a historic senior class in 2009. And Dan had to fight like hell to keep that class together and added key pieces to it (if it's so easy to recruit in year 1, go back and look at Crooms first class). Now I'm all in for replacing Mullen, but give credit where it's due. He did some great things and has built a nice roster with good depth. He's just peaked as a coach. I want to move on so we can continue to build on what he's done instead of waiting for the imminent collapse and then starting from scratch in 2-3 years. We have to keep building. We have stalled. If we are afraid to admit the obvious and refuse to build on our new foundation, then we are doomed to continually repeat our crappy history forever.

I'm waiting until the end of year before I make a decision on how I feel. I'm not worried about W's and L's. I want to see our team play with fire and that includes both the players and coaches. The team I saw last weekend had that fire. The turnovers killed us, but they played with a lot more passion than the previous 2 games where it looked as if everyone was going through the motions. If we finish out the 4 games and leave everything out on the field each week, I think he deserves another year.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Please stop saying this. Every coach in America who had been on the job for 5 years or less is playing with someone else's recruits to some extent. Croom was awful. He was a bad coach, and a worse recruiter. And his players were always in trouble, even though he was all about high character. It was a complete debacle, a PR stunt. We set out to make a "historic hire", not the best football hire. And still, if that was our number 1 goal, there were a dozen better and more qualified coaches to choose from. That was a disaster. I digress. Croom had 1 good class, due to riding Ellis Johnson's defense to his line bowl appearance combined with the luck of MS having a historic senior class in 2009. And Dan had to fight like hell to keep that class together and added key pieces to it (if it's so easy to recruit in year 1, go back and look at Crooms first class). Now I'm all in for replacing Mullen, but give credit where it's due. He did some great things and has built a nice roster with good depth. He's just peaked as a coach. I want to move on so we can continue to build on what he's done instead of waiting for the imminent collapse and then starting from scratch in 2-3 years. We have to keep building. We have stalled. If we are afraid to admit the obvious and refuse to build on our new foundation, then we are doomed to continually repeat our crappy history forever.

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Well done.

No need in not admitting the good that Dan has done. He has raised the bar for us. Now it's time to see if we can build off of where he has gotten us before we let things slide into a rebuild and ruin everything Mullen helped create.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well done.

No need in not admitting the good that Dan has done. He has raised the bar for us. Now it's time to see if we can build off of where he has gotten us before we let things slide into a rebuild and ruin everything Mullen helped create.

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So if the powers that be decide CDM gets another year, where does that leave us as a fan base? Everything I am seeing seems to point to fans wanting a change. If that change does not happen, even if we finish 4-8 or 5-7, are we doomed? Can CDM make a go of it? I have my doubts. But I have even more doubts re: Scott & Keenum doing anything. I see a similar situation as to what happened at TSUN Nutty boys last 2 seasons. I hope I am wrong!!

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Originally Posted by wrb7480

So if the powers that be decide CDM gets another year, where does that leave us as a fan base? Everything I am seeing seems to point to fans wanting a change. If that change does not happen, even if we finish 4-8 or 5-7, are we doomed? Can CDM make a go of it? I have my doubts. But I have even more doubts re: Scott & Keenum doing anything. I see a similar situation as to what happened at TSUN Nutty boys last 2 seasons. I hope I am wrong!!

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I will be pissed if we don't make a change, but it won't stop me from supporting the team. I will scale back on talks of replacing him because it will be moot at that point.

I'm sure most of us will just hope like hell that Dan has it in him to turn this shit around if given another year, but you better believe he will have to do more than just win 6 games next year if he's here.

The way this recruiting class is looking, and the way OM, Ark, UK, and all of the rest of the SEC are recruiting....we would only be setting ourselves another year behind everyone in the SEC by hanging on to Dan another year IMO.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

The way this recruiting class is looking, and the way OM, Ark, UK, and all of the rest of the SEC are recruiting....we would only be setting ourselves another year behind everyone in the SEC by hanging on to Dan another year IMO.

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^^^^^^^^
That is exactly what I think, but If I had said it, I would be labeled a troll! :)

Typically, there's no point in keeping a coach that the fans have grown tired of. I have to imagine that such a coach almost never recovers.

1. Please elaborate on what he did wrong while interacting with boosters.

2. What would it take to convince me Mullen should go? Answer: We miss out on a bowl next season.

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Originally Posted by Lariverdog

Let me be completely honest. I want him gone yesterday. It's not because of the shitty product on the field entirely, but also because of his arrogant Yankee ass and his interactions with boosters on several occasions. Note, these were meetings where I was there first hand.
So my question: what would it take to convince you this man is not who we need anymore?
I'm not interested in debating past coaches and history. I'm talking about the here and now. Give him a pass why?
My MSU days start in the late seventies. Lived in Garner hall and played IM basketball for run n gun if anyone of you were around back then.
I'll hang up and listen.

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Sorry to nitpick this post, but we loved his "arrogant Yankee ass" when it was to the detriment of our rivals. We thought it was hilarious.

And I'm in the group that don't care if he leaves, too, so don't call me a CDM supporter.

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Originally Posted by wrb7480

I definitely want changes to the program! I'm not sure HUD is the answer. I'd consider Chad morris at Clemson, if we went after an up and coming or a real homerun hire would be Art Briles at Baylor.

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Briles is a dream. It would pretty much be a step down from Baylor at this juncture.

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Originally Posted by J-Dawg

Sorry to nitpick this post, but we loved his "arrogant Yankee ass" when it was to the detriment of our rivals. We thought it was hilarious.

And I'm in the group that don't care if he leaves, too, so don't call me a CDM supporter.

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yeah, i agree. of all his shortcomings, being a yankee and arrogant are the least important to me.

someone asked "what if he's here next year?". I'll support him and hope like heck he wins 10 to convince me I was wrong and we'll go from there.