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What are your thoughts on the ethics of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Would we be OK with Emerson doing the exact same thing?
This is an SEC starter quitting on his team to go to another SEC school. You'd think the SEC would discourage this as it doesn't help the conference.
You're asking me to speculate on something that me nor you Know how it played out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
If Emerson had a brother on another SEC school in his home State then it would be a possibility.
I'm not sure what the SEC can or should do. The kid is a graduate he's free to make his own decision & he earned that right by taking care of business in the classroom. It sucks because we're on the losing end but if the roles were reversed you wouldn't care. You wouldnt say man The SEC needs to step In & stop CJ Bolar from transferring back to MSU. He's a 2yr starter at Vandy that's going to hurt them. You would be asking how can he get a waiver so he's eligible this fall. You're already plotting on wanting some Washington St kids to transfer here. What if they're 3yr starters & leaving their teammates. Do you care then? Should the PAC 12 step in & say no you can't follow your old coach, the coach that recruited you & who you played for 3yrs?
you make a lot of sense that is difficult to dispute .... sometimes you have to overlook our bias and just let your words sink inQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
are you sure you're not that Yankee coach ?
Solid points. If nobody cares about players quitting on their team, then by all means let's go steal a player from another school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
LOL YOU DONT CARE!! If the player is coming to MSU & can help win Games you don't give a damn how he quit on his previous team. You only preach this accountability & teammate brotherhood stuff when a kid is leaving MSU. Costello should've just stayed at Stanford & Lashley should've fought for a starting job at Bama. We shouldn't be trying to go get a grad transfer Because these kids should just stick it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Mullen is a POS and anyone talking BS about how they pull for him is garbage. He left us, talked crap about Starkville with his wife, stole recruits and is still working behind the scenes to damage our program. He can go to hell.
I'm going to need to know how you really feelQuote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
You are right. The hunchback is and was always a piece of crap even when he coached at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
I think it's different when a guy isn't a starter. I think that's clear & most everyone would agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Lashley clearly wasn't a starter & Costello wasn't going to be the incumbent.
It's pretty easy to separate those two from a guy like Reese
But you can't pick & choose like that. No Lashley wasn't a starter but Costello had just as good a chance to win the job imo. Again if Costello was the clear cut starter & he decided to transfer here you wouldn't have gone on a tirade blasting him for leaving Stanford, Coach Shaw, & his teammates. You would've said the same thing that you said before man this kid could be the best pure passer than MSU has ever had. You would give 2 shits how it affected Stanford because it was a positive for MSU. You wouldn't have questioned his character or work ethic for leaving because you would have been too busy celebrating MSU getting a damn good player.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Most people don't really disagree with some of your opinions but it's the vast swings in emotions &
The total hypocrisy that you use sometimes that make it hard to take your valid arguments serious. That's not a knock on you at all just an observation from a regular everyday Joe.
Which is why everyone is scared as S&*^ about the one time transfer rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
the other part about this that rubs me wrong is that he Florida mods knew about this when Reese was attending MSU positional Zoom calls
Whatever our opinion is on the ultimate outcome, this wasn't handled right by either Florida or Reese & Florida should get read the riot act for tampering with another SEC school's starting player.
If the two schools were reversed here, there's no doubt there would be crying from the other side.
I have my biases for sure, but, if it were up to you, you'd want college football free agency with no rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
That's just as brutal of a position as some of mine are.
Everybody always call any change to college sports the death of the sport. Yet it keeps on ticking. There will be some good & some bad to it like everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Well when you have a source that's lives down the hall from the subject that's a damn good source. ESP when our sources can only go on what our side is seeing. I understand you're upset at that but that's the way it goes sometimes. Our guys had the scoop on Lashley because he had told Murphy & Kylin he was coming to MSU before he was in the portal.
I didn't think Reese was all that good. Especially in pass protection. This is a meh for me. Not sure when he became good but he was average at best. Does hurt depth.
I hope we get another corner honestly.
When have I ever said that? Just because I want players to have more freedom doesn't mean I'm for anything. I just don't jump on the table & scream my opinion every time something happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
His pass pro at guard wasn't near as big a problem as at tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
While it does suck, it is NOT a clear case of tampering. Reese graduated already and he CAN talk to anyone. He just could have dialed Dan, said I want to come down and play with my brother and you.
Then, Florida 24/7 could easily find out he reached out to Dan.
Exactly correct. I didn't care much for Mullen personally when he was here but you can put up with a lot when a guy is winning. Besides, every 'nice' guy we've hired at MSU has fallen flat on their face so you just put up with the two-faced SOB. The good part is we are starting to run out of players that Mullen and staff have a prior relationship with. The one thing we know about that staff is that they are not going to put in the work to build a new relationship with a player when they can just screw over their old school with a guy they already have an in with. They are WAY too lazy for that. I knew this would turn out to be true so that's why I said earlier in the thread that perhaps the bright side is that Reese is a much better run blocker than pass blocker and pass blocking is what's required in the Leach scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
At the end of the day, if a guy wants to leave the school he graduated from and the team he's been on and started on for most of three years, I'm not looking to twist his arm to stay. It's not like he's a mindless chess piece that Florida stole in the middle of the night. He's a human being who wanted to leave. Bye. No hard feelings, but you don't want to be here, see ya. I'm not going to be that broken up about "tampering" or trying to keep a guy that would rather be somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
May not do anyone any favors but a situation like this is way, way worse for schools with a brand new coaching staff. I'm sure our players like having the nameQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
'Leach' as their new HC but they don't know him or the staff. They are pretty much strangers to our players. Reese going to Florida sets him up with a staff he is familiar with, playing with his brother, and likely a much better chance to play in an SEC championship game than we have in the West with Bama and others. Florida fans have been talking about this potential transfer as far back as last October so I think this has been in the works for a long time and our change in coaches just likely sealed the deal.