Women's bb team up to #5 in coaches poll. What Vic has done this season is

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02-14-2020, 08:55 AM
smootness

LOL on the idea that we have as much talent as anyone.

South Carolina has more talent than we do. UConn has more talent. Baylor has more talent. Notre Dame has more talent. Louisville has more talent. Stanford has more talent. Maryland has more talent. You could make a strong case that Tennessee and Texas have more talent. Oregon and UCLA are now recruiting as well as anyone. Arizona and Ohio State recruit at least at the level we do. What we have is a better coach than just about all of them, with the possible exception of UConn.

Schaefer does recruit well, and it is getting stronger. He is finally starting to land some truly elite players with consistency. But there are several programs who only recruit elite players. And our recruiting followed our success, not the other way around.

Regardless of any of that, 'coach' at the college level encompasses it all. And no one has taken less and turned it into more at Mississippi State. Schaefer is the best coach we have ever had in any sport. And I really don't think it's that close.
02-14-2020, 09:10 AM
AROB44

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Vic is the best recruiter we have ever had. His teams are loaded with talent. We have a 5-star struggling to get playing time.

Polk is the best coach we have had. He lacked some in recruiting- he never won a title because he was never able to put together a complete pitching staff. Vic will probably win a title because he is a top 5 in the country recruiter

Babe McCarthy was the best coach we have ever had....
02-14-2020, 09:56 AM
dawgman

Hard to argue against McCarthy with 4 SEC championships in 5 years from 1959 and 1963 in a league that included Adolph Rupp. Allyn McKeen must also be given consideration
02-14-2020, 10:19 AM
OLJWales

We've had a few that turned programs around that were/are great at their jobs. I think JWS needs to be on the list as well. I still think a lot of our present day football foundation was built by him.

To difficult for me to rank them though other than I think Vic belongs at the top.
02-14-2020, 10:28 AM
dawgman

Also to think about; what if we had kept the coaches that went on to win 7 national championships in football after leaving Mississippi State
02-14-2020, 10:40 AM
TXDawg

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Originally Posted by Skydawg1

We lost that natty due to coaching.

No, we lost that natty due to officiating and a 3-point prayer...
02-14-2020, 10:46 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Vic is a good coach. But being a top 5 recruiter is why we are where we are. He got outcoached vs Notre Dame that cost us a title. Great coaches dont blow a 15 point lead in the title game. He may end up the most successful coach in Starkville- and its no doubt because he is an elite recruiter. We recruit top 5- and we remain top 5.

Howland is underachieving and Moorhead was awful. Mullen is a better coach than Vic- Mullen overachieved based on talent. Vic is just living up to his recruiting standards

I agree with most of that, but recruiting is part of being a good coach on the college level.
02-14-2020, 11:06 AM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by 99jc

Recruiting does not mean you win a title coaching does you of all people should know that. Howland and Moorhead both had great talent but can't coach worth a damn especially Moorhead.

The level of talent Moorhead and Howland have/had relative the blue blood programs is nowhere near the level Vic has. Calling a college coach an elite recruiter is not bashing them it's huge praise considering how important recruiting is to college coaching success.
02-14-2020, 11:11 AM
OLJWales

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02-14-2020, 11:12 AM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by dawgman

Also to think about; what if we had kept the coaches that went on to win 7 national championships in football after leaving Mississippi State

Who besides Darryl Royal?
02-14-2020, 01:19 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by TXDawg

You?re out of your mind....

Yep, 34 do you know how many games Mullen lost and nearly lost by blowing leads? Mullen's record vs top 25? Vic can coach circles around Mullen. Mullen is a good coach, but he ain't no Vic.
02-14-2020, 01:22 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

LOL on the idea that we have as much talent as anyone.

South Carolina has more talent than we do. UConn has more talent. Baylor has more talent. Notre Dame has more talent. Louisville has more talent. Stanford has more talent. Maryland has more talent. You could make a strong case that Tennessee and Texas have more talent. Oregon and UCLA are now recruiting as well as anyone. Arizona and Ohio State recruit at least at the level we do. What we have is a better coach than just about all of them, with the possible exception of UConn.

Schaefer does recruit well, and it is getting stronger. He is finally starting to land some truly elite players with consistency. But there are several programs who only recruit elite players. And our recruiting followed our success, not the other way around.

Regardless of any of that, 'coach' at the college level encompasses it all. And no one has taken less and turned it into more at Mississippi State. Schaefer is the best coach we have ever had in any sport. And I really don't think it's that close.

Yep, we beat UT recently, maybe last year by like 30. We had 0 Mcdonalds AA and UT had like 7-8. Vic can coach. He took two teams with 0 MAA to NC game. Anyone else done that in WBB?
02-14-2020, 01:28 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Who besides Darryl Royal?

Murray Warmath, 1 natty at Minnesota.
02-14-2020, 01:39 PM
dawgman

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Murray Warmath, 1 natty at Minnesota.

Bernie Bierman with 5 at Minnesota
02-14-2020, 01:44 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I agree with most of that, but recruiting is part of being a good coach on the college level.

Until Mullen beats Smart or Saban, I can't classify him as a better coach. Vic has at least one win against all the top coaches in Women's Hoops with maybe the exception of the ND coach. And beating Geno's team in '16 is above even beating Saban in football IMO.
02-14-2020, 06:27 PM
pilldawg

Vic didn?t have a single McDonald?s All American until this year. That National Championship team was built with good talent and better development. He is just now starting to get elite talent.
02-15-2020, 04:36 PM
Ari Gold

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Originally Posted by 99jc

Recruiting does not mean you win a title coaching does you of all people should know that. Howland and Moorhead both had great talent but can't coach worth a damn especially Moorhead.

Ben has been to 3 final fours.. saying Ben cant coach shows your ignorance...
02-15-2020, 06:06 PM
99jc

The 17er can't coach anymore he is a has been...and your ignorance shows now I wasn't talking about the past.
02-15-2020, 07:10 PM
Ari Gold

Vic is an elite Women’s basketball coach no doubt..
But it’s not like we are rolling 5 freshman out there
Carter -Soph
Mya - RS soph
Danberry 6th year Sr
Bibby - Jr
Jackson - fr

Wiggins - so
Morris - juco Jr
Espinoza - jr
And the 2 true freshman

That’s far from a young team
02-15-2020, 07:36 PM
99jc

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Vic is an elite Women’s basketball coach no doubt..
But it’s not like we are rolling 5 freshman out there
Carter -Soph
Mya - RS soph
Danberry 6th year Sr
Bibby - Jr
Jackson - fr

Wiggins - so
Morris - juco Jr
Espinoza - jr
And the 2 true freshman

That’s far from a young team

Vic is constantly stating this is a young team i tend to believe he knows what the hell he is talking about.

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