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11-25-2019, 10:10 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If Hud was better than Dan, he’d already be a P5 HC. That’s simply laughable. But he’s at Austin Peay after screwing up and getting fired at ULL. Damn this Hud legend grows by the day. We’ve passed on him twice. Think about that.

I don't know if Hud is better than Dan or even how good Hud is but just because he isn't at a power 5 doesn't mean jack. There are lots of great, great coaches at high school and lower college levels that never get the chance to move up or just like where they are. Same in any line of work. Just because everyone doesn't want to be CEO doesn't mean they are not good at the lower levels.

Mullen got where he did by riding Urbans coat tails and then winding up at UF as coord. MSU made Dan by giving him a shot and letting him learn on the fly.
11-25-2019, 10:35 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not sure why he really cared since he didn't plan on staying that long anyway.

Probably also pissed that he took Billy's spot on the staff initially.

Gonzales was not leaving with Mullen, don?t know where you got that. He stayed at Florida until he got the WR coach/passing game coord at LSU. Stay there 2 years the. Became Co-OC at Illinois. He was never a part of the plan to come with Mullen. He hoped to get the OC at Florida but that went to Addazio and he left the following year in 2010
11-25-2019, 10:56 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

I don't know if Hud is better than Dan or even how good Hud is but just because he isn't at a power 5 doesn't mean jack. There are lots of great, great coaches at high school and lower college levels that never get the chance to move up or just like where they are. Same in any line of work. Just because everyone doesn't want to be CEO doesn't mean they are not good at the lower levels.

Mullen got where he did by riding Urbans coat tails and then winding up at UF as coord. MSU made Dan by giving him a shot and letting him learn on the fly.

And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.
11-25-2019, 11:00 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.

You’re about to be sad. Really sad while were averaging 9-10 wins a year. You’ll be a sad MF while the rest of us celebrate winning regardless of who our coach is.
11-25-2019, 11:03 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If Hud was better than Dan, he?d already be a P5 HC. That?s simply laughable. But he?s at Austin Peay after screwing up and getting fired at ULL. Damn this Hud legend grows by the day. We?ve passed on him twice. Think about that.

Since you loved Dan so much, get ready. Hud will win way more than Danny boy. There ain?t much doubt about that.
11-25-2019, 11:06 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

You’re about to be sad. Really sad while were averaging 9-10 wins a year. You’ll be a sad MF while the rest of us celebrate winning regardless of who our coach is.

9-10 wins a year? Boy, I don't know bout that...
11-25-2019, 11:10 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.

Except for the fact that the biggest reason why Byrne didn't go ahead and hire him as the HC in the first place was because he had no FBS experience at that time. And this also around the time that Raffo didn't get hired in part for the same reason. So, he leaves to get some head coaching experience and did well until they got on probation because of his friend who got caught in the crossfire of the Ole Miss investigation. Meanwhile he gets cleared by the NCAA, comes back to MSU and then goes to Austin Peay where he just led them to their first OVC championship since 1977.

You can't criticize someone for leaving to better themselves and then wanting to come back as the CEO when that was precisely the reason WHY they left in the first place. Just like Hugh Freeze left Ole Miss as an assistant for Arkansas State to get head coaching experience.

But hey- if we actually hired Dabo Swinney or Nick Saban you would find reasons why they aren't good enough for us either so it would be really nice if you actually threw some names out there instead of bitching about every coach anyone brings up.
11-25-2019, 11:11 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

9-10 wins a year? Boy, I don't know bout that...

I bet we would get back to 8 consistently pretty quickly though. With some 10 win seasons mixed in. And maybe actually get some upward trajectory with our football program.
11-25-2019, 11:15 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.

Ok .. I'll buy all of that. Don't know all those circumstances and I still would be good with him getting the job if that happens. If he doesn't it probably means he burnt some bridges with what you say above. The biggest that sticks out to me tho is him leaving when he could've been in line for the job. The know cheat .. not sure of circumstances there but lots of guys get 2nd chances ... or maybe that was Saunders' 3rd or 4th chance. I don't know.
11-26-2019, 12:18 AM
Huntsville Dawg

I have always been on board with hiring a coach who wants to be at MSU for the long haul. If a coach is good and they leave after a few years then we just have to restart the process again, and we all know how coaching searches can go....
11-26-2019, 12:40 AM
Dawgcap

Seriously. We should pray for 7-8. The SEC aim studying us in a consistent 8-10 win right now. If anyone believes that they gonna be sad. We are lower tier SEC West team. Our goal should be slowly moving up the pecking order. We ain’t got the tv eyes to be above that right now. When we made a slight run in 14 the calls sent us back. No one complains about calls now because they have us in our place. We are at best 4-6 in the West because of talent but mainly because we don’t bring eyes to the tv viewership
11-26-2019, 01:00 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawgcap

Seriously. We should pray for 7-8. The SEC aim studying us in a consistent 8-10 win right now. If anyone believes that they gonna be sad. We are lower tier SEC West team. Our goal should be slowly moving up the pecking order. We ain’t got the tv eyes to be above that right now. When we made a slight run in 14 the calls sent us back. No one complains about calls now because they have us in our place. We are at best 4-6 in the West because of talent but mainly because we don’t bring eyes to the tv viewership

The way to get above that is to recruit well. Hud can do that. And then either develop or coach up the talent. I feel like Hud can coach up talent.
11-26-2019, 06:38 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.

You're that guy that thinks he has real insight but over values his own information while not believing that people can learn from their mistakes and become better for them.

You made your mind up on Hud a long time ago and thus won't let the narrative die. An irrelevant narrative at that.

You don't talk about his coaching ability. Only the fact that he hired a cheater. Do you think he'd do that again? If so, why?

If not, then why does it matter what happened at ULL when he was cleared?
11-26-2019, 06:40 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Ok .. I'll buy all of that. Don't know all those circumstances and I still would be good with him getting the job if that happens. If he doesn't it probably means he burnt some bridges with what you say above. The biggest that sticks out to me tho is him leaving when he could've been in line for the job. The know cheat .. not sure of circumstances there but lots of guys get 2nd chances ... or maybe that was Saunders' 3rd or 4th chance. I don't know.

You're really upset that he left for a D1 head coaching job when he was the WR coach, not an OC, a WR coach at MSU?

So you expected him to stay here for 9 years under Mullen in hopes that he MAY get an interview?

What a stupid opinion.
11-26-2019, 06:55 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You're really upset that he left for a D1 head coaching job when he was the WR coach, not an OC, a WR coach at MSU?

So you expected him to stay here for 9 years under Mullen in hopes that he MAY get an interview?

What a stupid opinion.

That's not what I said you damn idiot. I said I can understand why he might've burned some bridges by doing all that.

Personally, I don't care about all of that. If the guy can coach, get a good staff and players to follow him, and can recruit and run a program, then I want him.
11-26-2019, 07:03 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That's not what I said you damn idiot. I said I can understand why he might've burned some bridges by doing all that.

Personally, I don't care about all of that. If the guy can coach, get a good staff and players to follow him, and can recruit and run a program, then I want him.

Anyone that holds anything against Hud because he left a WR position coaching job for a D1 head job is an idiot. If that wasn't you, then you're not an idiot.
11-26-2019, 07:16 AM
Dawgfan77

I like HUD a great deal. What?s odd is that yes he has a down cycle at ULL his last few years but was about to turn it around 15 was bad then in 16 he went 6-7 and with a young team. In 17 they went 5-7 he was fired mainly due to the NCAA stuff and three losing seasons. In comes Napier and wins with HUD recruits. They are SR laden this year all those guys were signed by HUD.

So in closing I say this I like Napier. But let me ask the board a question is he a good coach or rising in the rank due to his coaching acumen or is it because s the players he inherited from Mark Hudspeth?
11-26-2019, 07:22 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You're that guy that thinks he has real insight but over values his own information while not believing that people can learn from their mistakes and become better for them.

You made your mind up on Hud a long time ago and thus won't let the narrative die. An irrelevant narrative at that.

You don't talk about his coaching ability. Only the fact that he hired a cheater. Do you think he'd do that again? If so, why?

If not, then why does it matter what happened at ULL when he was cleared?

That?s not CP at all. He is just stupid and wants to argue. He argues every coach that is brought up sucks while never once attaching himself to a single one. He does not have the courage to say his choice because he does not have the backbone to handle any possible ridicule
11-26-2019, 08:39 AM
CovertDawg

You would have thought Hud left Lafayette by his own choice reading these boards. He would basically be like if Ole Miss hired Jay Hopson. Solid coach but low ceiling.
11-26-2019, 09:01 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by CovertDawg

You would have thought Hud left Lafayette by his own choice reading these boards. He would basically be like if Ole Miss hired Jay Hopson. Solid coach but low ceiling.

Why a low ceiling?

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