David Murray: "It's not about wins or loses. It's about looking competent."

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11-19-2019, 09:05 PM
DogsofAnarchy

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I personally have a hard time picking which between them I’d rather have. I’d take either one of them for sure but not sure who I’d give the edge to... Maybe Napier because of his more extensive background and time spent in the SEC but I do like Norvell a lot and what he’s done at Memphis. I think Norvell would create more “buzz” and maybe more excitement as a hire but Napier would be exciting too and would he be a better “fit” here? I’d be interested to see peoples take on that: which one would you prefer, Napier or Norvell?

Norvell has it all. He would excel at MSU and I have NO doubt about it.
11-19-2019, 09:47 PM
Jack Lambert

I would rather win ugly then lose pretty.
11-19-2019, 09:49 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I personally have a hard time picking which between them I?d rather have. I?d take either one of them for sure but not sure who I?d give the edge to... Maybe Napier because of his more extensive background and time spent in the SEC but I do like Norvell a lot and what he?s done at Memphis. I think Norvell would create more ?buzz? and maybe more excitement as a hire but Napier would be exciting too and would he be a better ?fit? here? I?d be interested to see peoples take on that: which one would you prefer, Napier or Norvell?

ESPN has Norvell's Memphis in a NYD bowl. If we get choose between Norvell or Napier I'd have to go with Norvell.
11-19-2019, 09:52 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

If David Murray is off the JoMo train Joe might as well burn his house down for the insurance money. It?s over lol

This. If Gus becomes available, we would hire him the next day.
11-19-2019, 10:00 PM
OLJWales

Joe has no clue as to how to manage and deal with putting a competitive SEC together. Not many do. I wish him the best but he needs to train and get the OJT elsewhere.

He allowed his players to report to duty soft and out of shape. We are not natty contenders but we as fans should expect our players be instructed specifically what the **** they are required to do in order to play on a SEC team. Last year should have been one of our best in team history allowing 12 TD's in 12 ****ing games. Now this shit.

Joe's Good Ship Lollipop has sailed.
11-19-2019, 10:13 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Oh, Tutorgate 10 and injuries were mentioned too.

Murray said those are things that can impact a program greatly but Joe is being paid a large sum of money to adjust and plan around these situations. It WAS NOT given as an excuse for Joe to hang his season on. Nothing like that was uttered by Murray.

The problem with blaming Tutor Gate is that Tutor Gate almost 100% effected the defense. Not the offense. There is simply no excuse for the pathetic offense.

Fire Moorhead & the entire offensive staff & keep the defensive if you are that much about Tutor Gate
11-19-2019, 10:16 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

This. If Gus becomes available, we would hire him the next day.

Gus Bus would be an extremely low risk way to get to 7-9 wins per year & recruit better. I'm all in with him if Auburn moves on.

We should hire him within 24 hours of Auburn firing him & we'd see our recruiting class improve.

Plus he'd have a big ass chip on his shoulder every time we played Auburn, which would be huge
11-19-2019, 10:32 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by DogsofAnarchy

I know this....I have been around MSU for 45 Years. I have lived in Starkville and Columbus during those times. I have spoken to absolutely NOBODY that believes we are going to be competitive with JoMo as the coach. If our administration keeps him as the coach then we will suffer more than we would if he leaves or is let go. This will be a financial disaster if he is retained.

I agree with you on this 100%. He has got to go for the good of our program.
11-19-2019, 10:36 PM
timotheus

This is both an odd and very serious situation that if not dealt with properly, will cost more $$ in the long run than the short run.
11-19-2019, 10:39 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

A month ago Murray was adamant Moorhead was here next year. Today it's like a complete 180. Remember when we all said look for the company men to start changing their tune?

Murray on Jake Wim said point blank it's not about winning the Egg. It's about fielding a competent football team that looks like they can play and execute the game plan. There was no mention of Joe coming back next year even if he beats OM. In fact the way Murray was talking the administration has their doubts Joe can pull it off. Murray mentioned "It's up to the administration now" four or five times. He said "It's not about wins or loses but how you looked playing in those games" at least three times. He threw out the Arkansas win. Yep, Arkansas was shit. We didn't learn anything from the. (I wonder where that was being said? Hmm?)

The worm has turned. The path is being prepared. After listening to this there is no vote of confidence for Joe. None. I think we have moved on whether he has or not. And I'm willing to bet Norvell or Napier will be announced as our next head coach the Monday after Thanksgiving.

I highly suspect that Joe is gone no matter what. Egg Bowl win or not. There's way too much smoke. And if true- good for MSU on being proactive.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Well I doubt we announce a coaching change that fast after the egg.

Croom was literally fired the night of the 2008 Egg Bowl. Dan's resignation and the transition to Joe happened within a weeks time. If things indeed do happen they have been in the works for months now. We're simply biding our time at this point.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Not unless we have been working on this for a few weeks. I think we have.

I suspect things have been in the works.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You can also read that as that even if we lose the Egg, but play a good game, he stays.

I think MSU is preparing fans in case we win the Egg Bowl and then fire him personally. That's never really happened at MSU that I can recall. There would be some fans that would want him to stay if he wins the Egg Bowl. Not here I don't think- but some fans like that are out there.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I’ve certainly noticed Dave changing his tune as well. He had been adamant for a while that Joe was 100% going to be back next year. That’s completely changed the last several days. I noticed he had said something along the lines of “things are much much much different than several weeks ago” referring to after the UT debacle. I had been very wary in my confidence that this would actually happen, but seeing Dave switch up on his takes on this all of a sudden as well as homedawg/commerce/others that usually have good sources and info saying things on here makes me believe this is happening and may have been in the works for a while now. We shall see soon enough.

The first time I ever saw David switch up was after we lost to UT in their postgame video. Could have been emotional. Still somewhat out of character for him if it was emotional.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yes, it's possible to infer it in such a way. I think it's cover for the admin to move on though. They are looking at two years of head coaching that has amounted in a serious regression in the football program.

I think you are right. One thing about it- I'm sure there are things that administration knows about Joe that even we don't know. Very smart of MSU to cover themselves from any potential fan backlash. Even though that would be the vast minority.

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Originally Posted by Lumpy Chucklelips

So if he wins the egg, what happens? We've all said one game doesn't define the situation. I want to win the egg. But I want him gone too.

Am I allowed to have both?

We can have both. Our fans after everything we have had to endure since the 2017 Egg Bowl probably deserve something like that to happen honestly. Football karma and all.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I personally have a hard time picking which between them I’d rather have. I’d take either one of them for sure but not sure who I’d give the edge to... Maybe Napier because of his more extensive background and time spent in the SEC but I do like Norvell a lot and what he’s done at Memphis. I think Norvell would create more “buzz” and maybe more excitement as a hire but Napier would be exciting too and would he be a better “fit” here? I’d be interested to see peoples take on that: which one would you prefer, Napier or Norvell?

I personally like Napier because of his SEC ties and the fact that he doesn't have whatever potentially secret skeleton in the closet. I'm impressed with his program at ULL which is modeled off of Saban's. I would be totally fine with Norvell also though.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The problem with blaming Tutor Gate is that Tutor Gate almost 100% effected the defense. Not the offense. There is simply no excuse for the pathetic offense.

Fire Moorhead & the entire offensive staff & keep the defensive if you are that much about Tutor Gate

The offense has the injured QB excuse. Excuses aside we don't look well prepared or play hard. If we did those two things I could be OK with buying the excuses. But preparation and working hard were major issues last year too without Tutor Gate or QB injuries.
11-19-2019, 10:40 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Gus Bus would be an extremely low risk way to get to 7-9 wins per year & recruit better. I'm all in with him if Auburn moves on.

We should hire him within 24 hours of Auburn firing him & we'd see our recruiting class improve.

Plus he'd have a big ass chip on his shoulder every time we played Auburn, which would be huge

That's assuming Arkansas doesn't get him. The reality is if Gus has to choose between MSU and Arkansas he is going to Fayetteville.
11-19-2019, 10:44 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's assuming Arkansas doesn't get him. The reality is if Gus has to choose between MSU and Arkansas he is going to Fayetteville.

Certainly a possibility but MSU is way closer to winning. Arkansas is a complete rebuild
11-19-2019, 10:58 PM
Mjoelner34

In reference to Todd's 2 posts above and Shotgun:

As far as something has been in the works:
I have ZERO inside info but I saw something on here today that I must have missed earlier in the year because I saw someone say that we have known that Norvell's people reached out to us earlier this year. Also, I posted this past Saturday night after reading it on 6pack that a guy over there said he has sources in Louisiana telling him that we've reached out to Napier. I hope both reports are true because those two are my 1A and 1B choices with Napier being my 1A primarily for the reasons Todd stated.

Gus bus:
I was scanning a UPIG message board this weekend to gauge their fans' interest in Napier and Norvell. Now who knows what their administration is thinking or can afford with all of the buyouts they're paying but the overwhelming choices of their fans on that particular message board is the pirate or Norvell. Gus was a big no to the great majority of them.
11-19-2019, 11:02 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Certainly a possibility but MSU is way closer to winning. Arkansas is a complete rebuild

So are we gun....unfortunately, so are we.....
11-19-2019, 11:07 PM
Randolph Dupree

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

So are we gun....unfortunately, so are we.....

We're an off-season away given a competent S&C coach and someone that understands the offensive fundamentals of football...SMH try
11-19-2019, 11:07 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Certainly a possibility but MSU is way closer to winning. Arkansas is a complete rebuild

You're right. But Arkansas is home for him. It's like when Cohen took over our complete rebuild of a baseball program. He could have landed a job that wasn't a rebuild had he wanted to but when Momma calls.
11-19-2019, 11:09 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

In reference to Todd's 2 posts above and Shotgun:

As far as something has been in the works:
I have ZERO inside info but I saw something on here today that I must have missed earlier in the year because I saw someone say that we have known that Norvell's people reached out to us earlier this year. Also, I posted this past Saturday night after reading it on 6pack that a guy over there said he has sources in Louisiana telling him that we've reached out to Napier. I hope both reports are true because those two are my 1A and 1B choices with Napier being my 1A primarily for the reasons Todd stated.

Gus bus:
I was scanning a UPIG message board this weekend to gauge their fans' interest in Napier and Norvell. Now who knows what their administration is thinking or can afford with all of the buyouts they're paying but the overwhelming choices of their fans on that particular message board is the pirate or Norvell. Gus was a big no to the great majority of them.

The thing about buyouts is most companies want employees that want to work for them and therefore they're often OK with people that don't want to be there moving on. Scott Stricklin being the apparent exception with Dan. That typically reduces a buyout.
11-19-2019, 11:10 PM
HailStateSZN19

Can anyone post the link to the audio from the Murray interview on Wimberly’s show whatever it is? I’ve never listened to whatever he does but would like to hear the interview with Murray.
11-19-2019, 11:30 PM
KOdawg1

I think it's pretty telling that Steve hasn't had too much to say recently. He was also one who was adamant that Joe would be back next year no matter what. The only one on Gene's Page that defends Joe at all costs is Paul. But where there's smoke, there's fire. I'm becoming more optimistic by the day that we make a move should we lose to OM.
11-19-2019, 11:52 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

So are we gun....unfortunately, so are we.....

Not even close. We have the QB plus OL and talent on D

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