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10-28-2013, 09:58 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach 57

Uh the SEC west was as weak then as a low flow shower head. So guess what a lot of those wins WERE easy wins. So you're out on that one.

Uh, we actually BEAT good SEC teams during that stretch in the 90s which we definitely don't do now. Will agree that AL and LSU have been consistently better during Mullen's tenure than back then but everyone else has been up and down. Heck, we had 4 EASY WINS IN THE SEC last year PLUS our OOC games. IMO, my point very much still stands.
10-28-2013, 10:09 AM
BulldogBear

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Not to split hairs but 1996-2000 was the best 5 years in program history. If we had had one extra easy win in those years like we do now with the extra non-conference game that 5 year stretch would look even better than it was.

Not even close. We went 40-7-2 with an SEC championship and 2 Orange Bowls in the 5 season (no team in 1943) 1939-1944. That's just the best 5 years period. I may not be an old old dawg but I love keeping up with history. I love watching Bears shut they mouth when you show them that MSU, not Ole Miss, owns the largest beatdown (65-0), longest win streak (13), lead the series going back 5, 15, and 20 years (a generation), and average a higher margin of victory. Heh, though you can look at that last one and say hmmmm.... does that mean we usually leave no doubt or that they win the close ones? Last 20 years we lead the series 11-9 though most of them will say I am a liar and that it's more like 13-7 or 14-6 in Rebs' favor. I love showing them the scores!
10-28-2013, 10:16 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Why is everyone going crazy about the extension? It was agreed to in August in principle. It is thru 2016. It's not giving him 4 years after this one. Just 3 because it's an extension following 3 straight bowls! He's not getting fired and this extension doesn't have one thing to do with it.

typically schools give a 1-yr extension after the season so the coach can tell recruits that he still has 4 years remaining ... it's usually done every year ... not sure, but after last year I would assume that he recvd that 1 -yr exten... the extension DOES have something to do with it - by not extending you send the coach a message ... I don't know what the particulars of the extension are but I would think this is a 1-yr deal which should give him 4 yrs under contract going through 2017 --- one of us is wrong, probably me
10-28-2013, 10:30 AM
Dawgface

Well if it's a done deal all but the signing, so be it. I will still pull for the bullies and hope Mullen gets the ship turned around in the right direction. I will certainly be satisfied if he can scratch out a 6-6 record. About what I thought when the season started this year anyway. I just want to see some positives on the field like better play in the 2nd half and less head scratching decisions. Do that and we might win 2 more games.
10-28-2013, 11:25 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by BulldogBear

Not even close. We went 40-7-2 with an SEC championship and 2 Orange Bowls in the 5 season (no team in 1943) 1939-1944. That's just the best 5 years period. I may not be an old old dawg but I love keeping up with history. I love watching Bears shut they mouth when you show them that MSU, not Ole Miss, owns the largest beatdown (65-0), longest win streak (13), lead the series going back 5, 15, and 20 years (a generation), and average a higher margin of victory. Heh, though you can look at that last one and say hmmmm.... does that mean we usually leave no doubt or that they win the close ones? Last 20 years we lead the series 11-9 though most of them will say I am a liar and that it's more like 13-7 or 14-6 in Rebs' favor. I love showing them the scores!

No doubt you are correct. The earlier argument should have been qualified as modern program history.
10-28-2013, 11:29 AM
BulldogBear

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The earlier argument should have been qualified as modern program history.

In that you right of course. I just don't want folks to think that's the best we've ever been able to muster. And as for Bears, if they wanna bring up old crap, a dawg can play that game too!! I can bring it!
10-28-2013, 11:48 AM
dickiedawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

This is the coach who has given us our best first 5 years in program history.

Just wanted to highlight the fact that smootness didn't say the best 5 years in school history. Obviously that's not the case.
10-28-2013, 11:54 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Uh, we actually BEAT good SEC teams during that stretch in the 90s which we definitely don't do now.

We only beat 2 really good teams in the decade of the 1990's- both at home

11/16/1996- No. 8 Alabama...17-16....Starkville

11/21/1998- No. 9 Arkansas....22-21...Starkville

Jackie only had 3 in his entire tenure...I'll have to go back to that post, but it seems I remember that Jackie was something like 8-30 vs the top 25
10-28-2013, 11:56 AM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by smootness

Geez. Can people come down off the pessimism train for a minute?

This is the coach who has given us our best first 5 years in program history. So while Mullen may not be lighting the world on fire, and it's fair to want to continue to improve, some act as though we should expect significantly more, when we've never...literally never...done this well under a new coach before.

That's fine if you think we can do better, but don't act like he's given us nothing or is somehow a terrible coach.

We also just landed possibly the best recruit in the history of the program.

Allyn McKeen:

8-2
10-0-1
8-1-1
8-2-0
6-2-0

Had us ranked 3 times in those 5 years, including #9 in his second year.

Just sayin'
10-28-2013, 11:58 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

typically schools give a 1-yr extension after the season so the coach can tell recruits that he still has 4 years remaining ... it's usually done every year ... not sure, but after last year I would assume that he recvd that 1 -yr exten... the extension DOES have something to do with it - by not extending you send the coach a message ... I don't know what the particulars of the extension are but I would think this is a 1-yr deal which should give him 4 yrs under contract going through 2017 --- one of us is wrong, probably me

The extension being talked about is the one that extends him thru 16. They haggled bal and forth and it took forever to agree to whatever they agreed to but its last years rollover. That's all. I guess the reason it hasn't been announced is bc he, being Dan, screwed around and didn't sign it. I dont know why. But this is NOT an extension for 17. Several reasons, 1, he can't have more than 4 on his contract and 2, he won't get an extension wo goin to a bowl.
10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Jack Lambert

Like I said on another thread, we are walking in a Rose Garden compare to most MSU teams in the past.
10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Tbonewannabe

You do realize every 1st round pick has been Croom's recruit.
10-28-2013, 12:03 PM
Vandownbytheriver

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

You do realize every 1st round pick has been Croom's recruit.

Dan's awesome coaching is the reason why*****
10-28-2013, 12:03 PM
Tbonewannabe

He beat #3 UF and I think Aub with Rudi Johnson was rated pretty high.
10-28-2013, 12:04 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Allyn McKeen:

8-2
10-0-1
8-1-1
8-2-0
6-2-0

Had us ranked 3 times in those 5 years, including #9 in his second year.

Just sayin'

which just happened to be during WWII when alot of the top athletes from other states were off fighting in the war
10-28-2013, 12:08 PM
Vandownbytheriver

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Originally Posted by Coach34

which just happened to be during WWII when alot of the top athletes from other states were off fighting in the war

So let me get this straight, those don't count because other teams were down, but Dan's "big wins" against UGA and Florida do? Come on nah.
10-28-2013, 12:08 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

You do realize every 1st round pick has been Croom's recruit.

Croom's didnt coach Fletcher Cox for 10 seconds. Nor Gabe Jackson when he goes this coming April. Sherrod gave up 5 sacks vs OM by himself the last game he was coached by Crooms

How about those 1st round picks Shula recruited for Saban? People never bring those up for some reason.
10-28-2013, 12:09 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by beerfarley

So let me get this straight, those don't count because other teams were down, but Dan's "big wins" against UGA and Florida do? Come on nah.

I was just pointing out that anytime we have won big in our history- it's been in a down SEC
10-28-2013, 12:10 PM
Vandownbytheriver

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I was just pointing out that anytime we have won big in our history- it's been in a down SEC

That actually makes since. Unfortunately, this is not one of those times and it's very evident.
10-28-2013, 12:11 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

He beat #3 UF and I think Aub with Rudi Johnson was rated pretty high.

That was in 2000- not in the 1990's. And that was his 3rd top 10 win in 13 years as HC. As I said, Jackie was something like 8-30 or even worse vs the top 25

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