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10-25-2019, 01:24 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TUSK

meh, $9M is cheap if y’all know he ain’t the guy.

Unlike wives, it’s seldom cheaper to keep a HC (when one considers LT ROI)...

Yep. To much money at stake collaterally to afford having a poor product when everything is taken into account.
10-25-2019, 02:23 AM
DeputyDawg94

He had my support until he proved he didn?t deserve it with those BS games last year and then not adjusting this year. He gotta go.
10-25-2019, 05:58 AM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

over the last few days. The buyout is over $9 million. Joe WILL be here next year. Rumors to the contrary are just that, rumors. He ain't leaving and we ain't getting rid of him. Our financial position is better than was, but not enough better to do THAT. This source has never been wrong, ever. So, given that fact, why don't we do a most un MSU thing and support the coach until he isn't the coach. Our decision makers are not stupid. They also don't wish for pie in the sky stuff. That privilege is reserved for message boards.

I think most rational fans already understood there is a high likelyhood that he would be back next year.
10-25-2019, 06:19 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Coach007

But he isnt being hired away. I have explained this.

First off I didn’t say he was or was not being hired away, I was explaining the differing buyouts. You had no reason to chime in on something that was not even stated, but that is what douches do...no reading comprehension but I got to deliver a false message to the masses.

No you haven’t explained anything, you just offer your opinions in the most douche delusional way possible. You have no sources or inside info, just spouting off from your rear.
10-25-2019, 07:31 AM
timotheus

a douche.....sounds about right
10-25-2019, 07:57 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is why MSU are rumored to be working on him leaving on his own. The feeling is probably mutual. We don?t want him and I don?t think Joe wants to be here either.

It just isn?t a fit for either one. And no- MSU fans should not support a bad product on the field because our inexperienced AD made a bad move.

If we have to buy him out I?m sure we?ll negotiate it out where it?s either lowered and/or spread out over a few years. So I?m not worried about the money not being there.

So, basically, we gave the cheapest coach in the SEC a guaranteed contract. I would assume that what articles like this are missing is the actual language of the contract themselves. I'd put money on there being a negotiation process to determine payout terms. Worst case scenario is we pay Joe $2.375 million a year until he gets another job. That's a damn drop in the bucket, and should not be a hurdle at all in this process. Period.
10-25-2019, 08:18 AM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

First off I didn’t say he was or was not being hired away, I was explaining the differing buyouts. You had no reason to chime in on something that was not even stated, but that is what douches do...no reading comprehension but I got to deliver a false message to the masses.

No you haven’t explained anything, you just offer your opinions in the most douche delusional way possible. You have no sources or inside info, just spouting off from your rear.

This is a good assessment of 007. She posts purely off emotion. There is literally no one on this board who I take less seriously.
10-25-2019, 08:24 AM
Pipedream

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

over the last few days. The buyout is over $9 million. Joe WILL be here next year. Rumors to the contrary are just that, rumors. He ain't leaving and we ain't getting rid of him. Our financial position is better than was, but not enough better to do THAT. This source has never been wrong, ever. So, given that fact, why don't we do a most un MSU thing and support the coach until he isn't the coach. Our decision makers are not stupid. They also don't wish for pie in the sky stuff. That privilege is reserved for message boards.

I don't know if your source is wrong nor right, but I find it hard to believe that we went from a $0 buyout to a full contract value buyout in one season. Again, not saying it's impossible because Cohen has shown himself to be an awful negotiator, but that seems highly unlikely. Pretty common cfb coach contract language to have the buyout be 50% of the remaining contract value, so if you cut that number in half, it's probably much more realistic. Secondly, it's not just MSU people that aren't going to support a failing product. That's not anything unique to State, it's human nature. No one wants to support a loser who has submarined the program in 1.5 years. Don't sell that horse shit like State people are bad fans because they aren't. They're just like every other fan base-just want to win.
10-25-2019, 08:27 AM
Churchill

"Our decision makers are not stupid."

If they agreed to a buyout of an unproven coach for more money than we can afford then they are worse than stupid
10-25-2019, 08:30 AM
StarkVegasSteve

As stated before, 9 mil is cheap compared to what the athletic dept will lose in ticket sales and the revenue the economy of Starkville as a whole will lose if he is brought back. If he isn't the guy, and most of us don't believe he is, you pull the trigger and worry about the consequences later. The money will show up for a buyout, it won't shop up for tickets next year.
10-25-2019, 08:33 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

So, basically, we gave the cheapest coach in the SEC a guaranteed contract. I would assume that what articles like this are missing is the actual language of the contract themselves. I'd put money on there being a negotiation process to determine payout terms. Worst case scenario is we pay Joe $2.375 million a year until he gets another job. That's a damn drop in the bucket, and should not be a hurdle at all in this process. Period.

Brunswick gets it. There's always a negotiation process in a buyout. Rarely is it the full amount.
10-25-2019, 08:34 AM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I think most rational fans already understood there is a high likelyhood that he would be back next year.

Have you read this thread? We don't have many rational fans.
10-25-2019, 08:34 AM
TrapGame

4-8 and he's gone. I'd put a bottle of Tito's on it. SVS is right. The economic fallout for the school and Starkville at large in bringing him back is more than $9 mil.
10-25-2019, 08:39 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

I don't know if your source is wrong nor right, but I find it hard to believe that we went from a $0 buyout to a full contract value buyout in one season. Again, not saying it's impossible because Cohen has shown himself to be an awful negotiator, but that seems highly unlikely. Pretty common cfb coach contract language to have the buyout be 50% of the remaining contract value, so if you cut that number in half, it's probably much more realistic. Secondly, it's not just MSU people that aren't going to support a failing product. That's not anything unique to State, it's human nature. No one wants to support a loser who has submarined the program in 1.5 years. Don't sell that horse shit like State people are bad fans because they aren't. They're just like every other fan base-just want to win.

I think a lot of State fans are also very touchy about the Croom debacle. We gave him 5 years and he actually made the offense worse than Jackie's last year except in 2007. Moorhead's failures in SEC games is just throwing up red flags for a lot of people. We have seen someone that insists the offense will work when there is very little tangible evidence that it is going to work. It also doesn't help that for the most part, Mullen's teams rarely struggled with offense.
10-25-2019, 08:44 AM
Jack Lambert

I suspect if the right people want him gone he will be gone. 9 million is not what it use to be and state would not have to pay it all at one time.
10-25-2019, 08:46 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Brunswick gets it. There's always a negotiation process in a buyout. Rarely is it the full amount.

If nothing else, you have to negotiate how much of his salary can be offset by taking another job. I doubt our administration is dumb enough to give a brand new coach who has never had a P5 job a fully guaranteed contract with no offset language. Jimbo might have a contract like that but A&M was pretty desperate to get him.
10-25-2019, 08:51 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I think a lot of State fans are also very touchy about the Croom debacle. We gave him 5 years and he actually made the offense worse than Jackie's last year except in 2007. Moorhead's failures in SEC games is just throwing up red flags for a lot of people. We have seen someone that insists the offense will work when there is very little tangible evidence that it is going to work. It also doesn't help that for the most part, Mullen's teams rarely struggled with offense.

I know guys like Bartoo are on the radio basically saying his matrix predicted this outcome. Although, it's funny he didn't say this 2 years ago. Anybody can look like Nostradamus after the fact.
10-25-2019, 08:51 AM
Mobile Bay

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Then Cohen should be fired for extending that bullshit. But I still don?t believe that?s the number based on what I?ve been told. And if he loses to AR and OM, he?s fired.

Cohen needs to be fired for a lot of things. Mostly his inability to make any decent hires. Plus the rest of his mismanagement of the Athletic Department.
10-25-2019, 08:52 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by Churchill

If they agreed to a buyout of an unproven coach for more money than we can afford then they are worse than stupid

What the hell is wrong with some of you? You take what one person has written in an article and run with it as absolute fact. How often are articles like this void of facts? They have gaping holes factually more often than not. Also, do you seriously believe if we shitcan his ass this year a check for 9 million must be written right then and there? Unless we have the dumbest of the dumb handling coaches contracts , and we do not, a 9 mil check will not be owed upon termination.
10-25-2019, 08:53 AM
TheLostDawg

If we drop him, better sell beer to help pay. If we keep him, they better start selling whiskey.

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