Yep,Negotiating 101, never take the first offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Yep,Negotiating 101, never take the first offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Big QB contracts = not wanting to win a Super Bowl.
These QBs getting these massive contracts are hamstringing their organizations really badly. You get to dress 46 I believe. When you lock up $30 million per year in one guy you really have a hard time getting decent enough parts to put around that QB to win a title.
Dak, Zeke, and Cooper all getting big contracts means the Cowboys will suck.
The revenue/cap numbers are changing at a faster pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Dak has been playing at a high level for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's not the player's responsibility to manage cap space. For the last few years the Cowboys have actually become a very well-managed team. They will figure it out.
If he wants to win championships it is. Yes Tom Brady is one of, if not the greatest of all time. But he continuously gave the Patriots favorable contract options for him so they had flexibility to get pieces they felt they needed to win. And they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by DancingRabbit
Name me a QB in the last decade that won a super bowl AFTER they got a massive contract. It doesn't happen. These guys like Rodgers, Ryan, Wilson, Garoppolo, Stafford, Carr, Luck, Rodgers, Wentz, Newton. Those are your $100 million or more contract QBs. How many of those actually have a chance to win a Super Bowl this year? Wentz to me is the only one. The others ones don't have good enough TEAMS to win it.
Brady is worth more than he's getting and he knows that. If these QBs want to win Super Bowls they would give up their big contracts and take less. Sure it's not technically their job to manage cap space. But if they truly want to be the best they will because they best QBs have one certain thing in common. Championships
You think Dak will be remembered as anything but an average QB if he never wins a Super bowl? Or even gets to one? No. They don't have the horses to get there right now and if they have to pay Dak, Zeke, and Cooper big bucks they certainly have no shot to get there. He should take $20 million and let the team use the rest to get him the pieces they need. I would rather make less salary and have a better chance at winning championships because ultimately that's where the fame comes from.
Don't get me wrong. Love Dak. Great Bulldawg. But balking at $30 million? That's not smart if he's trying to get more.
And they still haven't won because they had no money to get him better pieces. Paying all 3 of these guys is going to put a huge dent in their cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by DancingRabbit
It helps that his wife makes more than any player in the league. We also only know what the Cowboys have leaked to the media. What if it is $30 Mil for 3 years with $25 Mil guaranteed? What if it is only $30 Mil if Dak wins the Superbowl MVP? Without the actual details of the contract then this is all just a guessing game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
BS. They haven't won because of coaching/management. Every team has a budget for their team. It's up to the management to get it done not players to take less money for someone else. Every job in America pays what they think you're worth. It's not Dak's fault and he's not greedy to want more. Every team has the same roster number of 53 players to work with. Management has to work the puzzle of getting the best talent available for each team. No team has equal pay for all players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
??? ...Stop comparing all teams to Tom Brady and the Patriots. The Patriots situation says the owner is looking out for himself more than the well being of his players. They waited until he's near retirement to pay him what he's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
WTF does that even mean? Was Dak supposed to play for free so they could get "better pieces"? Are you a long time Cowboys fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I just don't get so-called Bulldog fans hating that Dak deserves and will get a top 5 or top 8 type contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Maybe he grew up in a trailer, but Dak is smarter than you are about his business. And he's earned what he's gonna get.
^^^ can't stand an opposing view. JeezQuote:
Originally Posted by DancingRabbit
Well you are the one taking this personally so I'm not sure what your deal is. No one said hate. All I said was he's not going to win a Super bowl. That's fine if he takes a ton of money. Just understand the reality of the situation. He's probably not going to win a Super bowl, especially if that team tries to keep him, Zeke, and Cooper.Quote:
Originally Posted by DancingRabbit
Not sure why fans like you do this. You get super emotionally invested when people just talk or have a discussion that might be different than "every Bulldawg should get whatever they want and if you don't agree you aren't a real Bulldawg". You mentioned trailer. No one else did. So you might want to check yourself and see who is the one looking way into someone else's finances.
Dak has more wins, TDs, more 4th quarter comebacks and less turnovers than Goff and Wentz. He is hated on like Lebron James is hated on
I’m a huge Dak and Dallas fan. I hope Dak and Zeke gets what they deserve .... but they better get to the damn super bowl or I’ll be very disappointed.
They whole money grab from L Bell to Zeke .... has turned me back off from thenfl. Just as I had gotten back into it because of all the bulldogs in the league.
What did I say to you that was personal? You replied to me that I was flat wrong, and that you know better than Dak about how he should handle his business. That seems rather presumptuous to me, hence the trailer comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Did you think your opinion was something original? "Take less money, it's good for the team". Please.
Dak-haters on twitter been running Brady's deals up the flagpole all year. Who else is doing Brady deals?
Jerry hasn't won a Super Bowl in 25 years, but it hasn't been because he was saddled with a big QB contract.
Edited to add, I do apologize if I offended you.
@ MetEdDawg
If you seriously believed Dak turned down 30 mil / yr where it’s actually guaranteed and not heavily incentive laden... i’ve got some ocean front property in nebraska to sell you.
If I had to guess it was 150 mil / 5 yr but only the first two years guaranteed if that. So likely it increases by a percentage every year. So probably only 53 or so mil guaranteed for two years (with incentives to hit that) and then the rest isn’t guaranteed at all.
And as for worrying about his team. Lol that’s a load of malarkey the 32 richest people in the sport sold you hook line and sinker. “Loyal to the team. Help the team.” What a bunch of bs. They’ll sign players to these high $ amounts with little guarantees and cut bait or force them to restructure down when it’s convenient for the team. No one should be held to the standard Tom Brady has been. His wife has made 10X the money he has from football contracts. Unfair advantage.
No one is selling me anything. I watch the NFL and it's obvious the big contract QBs aren't getting their teams close to the super bowl. I'm not sure why people say that's hating on Dak. It's the damn truth and it's simple economics.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Yes the Cowboys have been getting more out of him than the value of his contract. But when you give him $25-$30 million they don't just crap it out of a locked up safe somewhere. They have to take that from other players. Therefore you can't get as many other good players to put around Dak.
It's not rocket science folks. I'm not hating on Dak. All I said was if he wants to win a Super bowl he would take less money. I didn't judge him. I didn't say he was a bad person. I didn't even say I knew more about his finances like dancingrabbit said. But unfortunately for Dak big contract QBs don't win Super Bowls. That's fine if he takes the money. He's just not going to win a Super bowl if he does.
It's nothing against Dak. Lots of folks are in the take the money and get the most you can while you can group. I'm in the I would rather take less (because I know $20 million is tough to live on these days) and try and let my team sign other talented people to put around me. Super Bowl wins and appearances get you more fame and money than a contract.
Not sure why folks this is ground breaking observation and that I know what's best for Dak. Only one teams wins a Super Bowl and only 2 go. Look at the Cowboys and tell me they are going to win a Super bowl over the next 5 years. You can say it's Jerry Jones fault all you want. But don't lie and say it wouldn't matter if Dak took less.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2019/
This year Dak is 44th in QB salary. Some guys making more than him: Brian Hoyer, Lamar Jackson, Nate Sudefield, Drew Stanton, Chase Daniel, AJ McCarron, and a bunch of other guys that are a lot worse than Dak in any category you would like to put.
I agree that I don't think he is worth $40 Mil per year personally but the way NFL contracts are made, you have to get what you can because you never know when an Alex Smith injury happens.
I didn't say dak shouldn't try to get his. And basically you are agreeing w me. I said they haven't won w dak and zek being on the cheap. Now part of that is due to bad deals in the past eating up dead cap money. That's bad management as you said and that's what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
By listing the ones above him, you seem to think it should be performance based. Do you think dak is a top 5 Qb?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe