Moment of truth for those that want Hud - Do you want him bad enough to lose Egg Bowl

Ha! Gotta love it. You are picking us to lose to Kentucky with your 3-9 talk. That is laughable. Gotta love these doom and gloomers that are already predicting 4-8, 5-7 and 3-9 when we are currently 3-3 with a good chance at 6-6 or 7-5. Guys, take a chill pill and let the season play out. Quit with these scenarios that just aren't going to happen. I guess you are the same guys that would predict the worst case scenario out of any situation. I guess every now and then you could be right but most of the time you will be wrong...

We do not have a good chance of 7-5. Literally, the best odds we have is at 5-7 based on Mullen.

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Originally Posted by engie

Only way I'm in favor of keeping Mullen over Hudspeth is for him to go 7-5, while winning the Egg, and picking up steam in recruiting. All 3. This basically requires him to "overperform" and prove something for the first time since 2010 -- instead of just doing barely enough to get by and slowly killing the momentum the program has built in the process.

He's to the point now where he HAS to prove something -- or he'll be coaching in front of a freshly expanded, empty stadium next year. The Mullen bandwagon is getting really light. He's got to do something to turn momentum -- or he's going to lose everything we've gained under him.

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How bout this. Strick grows a set, hires HUD as the new OC and recruiter at $900k to $1.2 mill per year. If that does not fire a warning shot across The USS Mullen nothing will.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

news flash: he could lose out and he will still be here next year

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Not a chance.

Not a fan of Stricklan but he fired Stainsbury and a hall of fame softball Coach among others. Athletic Directors fire coaches to save their own hide.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

news flash: he could lose out and he will still be here next year

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wanna bet?

Let me see: beating Kentucky (check) that is four, beating Arkansas (check) that is five, beating Ole Miss in Starkville (check) that is six, winning one of the South Carolina or A&M games with Manziel and Shaw beat up to heck (doable). I'd say 7-5 is doable.

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Originally Posted by engie

Only way I'm in favor of keeping Mullen over Hudspeth is for him to go 7-5, while winning the Egg, and picking up steam in recruiting. All 3. This basically requires him to "overperform" and prove something for the first time since 2010 -- instead of just doing barely enough to get by and slowly killing the momentum the program has built in the process.

He's to the point now where he HAS to prove something -- or he'll be coaching in front of a freshly expanded, empty stadium next year. The Mullen bandwagon is getting really light. He's got to do something to turn momentum -- or he's going to lose everything we've gained under him.

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So if we are 4-7 headed into the EB you would be rooting for the bears?

This is not a bait post, I promise. I get the thought. Its kind of like chopping off an arm to save the body. No one wants us to lose to the bears, but I get the thinking that if we are 4-7 and a loss gets us Hud and a win gets us another year of Mullen, and potentially losing Hud to BCS program, then wanting a loss makes sense.

its a tough question, and right now I just can't see myself being ok with a loss to the bears even if we are at 4 wins and a 5th win for CDM guarantees him another year.

Also, due to our schedule next year, there is no way we miss a bowl, so we aren't firing him next year either. The more you look at it, the window for Hud could be this year for the forseeable future.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

OK - lets approach this from a standpoint of mathematics ... if he gets fired at seasons end how will we pay him off and still be able to pay another coach a substantial salary as he will still have a full 3 years remaining on contract ? ...... eggbowl average would still be .600 and bowl appearances are still @ .600 ..... OOC wins are in his favor ... stadium sellouts are in his favor ... he still recruits better than a lot of previous coaches .... how would STRICKLIN explain his actions of firing him ? ..... he will be given the proverbial "next year" to right the ship ..... if after that and he still needs to go then the school only has 2 years to pay

ETA - thanks for correcting my brain fart ... that would make him 3 of 5 on eggbowls and 3 of 5 for bowl eligibility

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I hate to use OM to compare but I will. They paid Nutt, what, $6 mil in buyouts? We have basically the same budget. We can do it. The "we can't do it because we don't have money" LT days are over. And if they aren't, then we need to clean house starting with Strick's head.

We sell out the stadium with gimmicks like games and silly crap. Seriously, that is what gets the final 10-15% of people in the stadium. The childish entertainment that draws them in. The product on the field does not draw them in, so we have to do it that way. I won't diminish Mullen's hand in getting those sellouts, but as an SEC school selling out your stadium should be a guarantee unless you are Vandy or suck as in 2-3 wins bad.

And an easy way to get that money to pay off Mullen - start winning some games, raise ticket prices and get rid of the gimmicks to sell tickets because the product on the field is worth coming to see.

Yeah because that will turn out fantastic.

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Originally Posted by engie

Only way I'm in favor of keeping Mullen over Hudspeth is for him to go 7-5, while winning the Egg, and picking up steam in recruiting. All 3. This basically requires him to "overperform" and prove something for the first time since 2010 -- instead of just doing barely enough to get by and slowly killing the momentum the program has built in the process.

He's to the point now where he HAS to prove something -- or he'll be coaching in front of a freshly expanded, empty stadium next year. The Mullen bandwagon is getting really light. He's got to do something to turn momentum -- or he's going to lose everything we've gained under him.

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Nah...will not happen. Might not be sell outs, but will not be empty.

You cannot fire Mullen, period, if he's 6-6 or 5-7 with an Egg Bowl win. You cannot do it. Moving past that and making assumptions is just wasted time.

Don't start the bullshit about how some people (passively aggressively talking about me) just are satisfied with the status quo, we're keeping lil ole msu down, etc. That's cop-out and all of you know it.

My prediction is 6-6 with an Egg Bowl win with an outside shot at 7-5.

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Hank Flick

I hate to use OM to compare but I will. They paid Nutt, what, $6 mil in buyouts? We have basically the same budget. We can do it. The "we can't do it because we don't have money" LT days are over. And if they aren't, then we need to clean house starting with Strick's head.

We sell out the stadium with gimmicks like games and silly crap. Seriously, that is what gets the final 10-15% of people in the stadium. The childish entertainment that draws them in. The product on the field does not draw them in, so we have to do it that way. I won't diminish Mullen's hand in getting those sellouts, but as an SEC school selling out your stadium should be a guarantee unless you are Vandy or suck as in 2-3 wins bad.

And an easy way to get that money to pay off Mullen - start winning some games, raise ticket prices and get rid of the gimmicks to sell tickets because the product on the field is worth coming to see.

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This is spot on. This isn't 1988 anymore. We could fire Mullen for no reason whatsoever if we wanted to, afford it, and still probably get a good coach to come here.

And I think Stricklin is still wanting to make his mark on MSU. Dudy-Noble Field and then bringing in his own football coach are good ways to do that. And even though some disagree with how it was handled- Ray looks like a solid hire to me as well.

Sort of depends for me. If we come into the EB at 5-6 then no way in hell do I want to lose the game. If we come in at 4-7 and I'm already pissed about the season and we will finish with a losing record and no bowl anyway AND I'm guaranteed Hud if we lose THEN I would probably would be alright losing the EB. And I WILL be pissed if we come into the Egg Bowl at 4-7.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

. Literally, the best odds we have is at 5-7 based on Mullen.

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That's not true. Have we lost to a team at home since 2010 that didnt win 10 games?

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

OK - lets approach this from a standpoint of mathematics ... if he gets fired at seasons end how will we pay him off and still be able to pay another coach a substantial salary as he will still have a full 3 years remaining on contract ? ...... eggbowl average would still be .600 and bowl appearances are still @ .600 ..... OOC wins are in his favor ... stadium sellouts are in his favor ... he still recruits better than a lot of previous coaches .... how would STRICKLIN explain his actions of firing him ? ..... he will be given the proverbial "next year" to right the ship ..... if after that and he still needs to go then the school only has 2 years to pay

ETA - thanks for correcting my brain fart ... that would make him 3 of 5 on eggbowls and 3 of 5 for bowl eligibility

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Mullen's buyout is a flat $1.4 million.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

We do not have a good chance of 7-5. Literally, the best odds we have is at 5-7 based on Mullen.

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Then I'm in favor of making a change.

Like I say, "more of the same" is not good enough with what he's got kicking the door down behind him.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

So if we are 4-7 headed into the EB you would be rooting for the bears?

This is not a bait post, I promise. I get the thought. Its kind of like chopping off an arm to save the body. No one wants us to lose to the bears, but I get the thinking that if we are 4-7 and a loss gets us Hud and a win gets us another year of Mullen, and potentially losing Hud to BCS program, then wanting a loss makes sense.

its a tough question, and right now I just can't see myself being ok with a loss to the bears even if we are at 4 wins and a 5th win for CDM guarantees him another year.

Also, due to our schedule next year, there is no way we miss a bowl, so we aren't firing him next year either. The more you look at it, the window for Hud could be this year for the forseeable future.

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I would approach it exactly like 2008 when I sat on the 50 in Vaught Hemingway. Pull for MSU -- but if they are going to beat us, hope they beat us decisively and force the change.

What "I think" doesn't matter. If we are 4-7 going into that game, they are 100% going to kick our ass. We couldn't get up for the game last year to try to get a 9th win that didn't affect our bowl destination -- why the hell would we be able to get up for pride only where we know we won't be bowling? If we're at 4-7 at that point, you can bet we haven't "fixed" anything -- and the team has already quit.

It goes down like that, and we find ourselves exactly where we started -- only without heart and the toughest schedule in the country. My how things will have come full circle since 2009...

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Originally Posted by engie

I would approach it exactly like 2008 when I sat on the 50 in Vaught Hemingway. Pull for MSU -- but if they are going to beat us, hope they beat us decisively and force the change.

What "I think" doesn't matter. If we are 4-7 going into that game, they are 100% going to kick our ass. We couldn't get up for the game last year to try to get a 9th win that didn't affect our bowl destination -- why the hell would we be able to get up for pride only where we know we won't be bowling? If we're at 4-7 at that point, you can bet we haven't "fixed" anything -- and the team has already quit.

It goes down like that, and we find ourselves exactly where we started -- only without heart and the toughest schedule in the country. My how things will have come full circle since 2009...

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MSU never learns from their past mistakes in football. A few vocal people will say we need to do this and that- and then the school will do it for a little while and lo and behold it will work- only to go back to the S. O. S. that wasn't working before. It BLOWS MY MIND.