Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You forgot about Luke's 45 minutes in the Millennium Falcon with Obi Wan. That's where his skills were really honed.***

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Shit, you got me*

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

The problem is Kathleen Kennedy. She doesn't have a clue what to do with the franchise.

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Well, I'm certainly not happy with every decision she's made, but Kennedy has taken huge steps at helping make Star Wars part of the social fabric for a new generation of fans, while (for the most part) keeping the momentum going forward for the future, while also honoring the past.

Food for thought...George Lucas' idea of bringing in young viewers: Jar Jar Binks.....Kennedy's idea of bringing in young viewers: Porgs......give me Porgs, by a ****ing mile.

Seriously, people forget how stagnated Lucas Arts as a production company had become since the end of the prequels, in all mediums: film, tv, video game, etc. George Lucas was a micromanaging crazy person, and his company, and more importantly the fans, suffered because of it.

This is a great article I still remember reading in GI back a few years ago, regarding the video game segment of Lucas Arts.
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ry-studio.aspx

Also, this notion that adding diversity to Star Wars is somehow cheapening the product is bullshit. And apparently "diversity" means 1) a female lead, and 2) a black storm trooper....shudder.** Finn's character being black makes sense, considering how the new Storm Troopers are basically kidnapped children who've been trained/brainwashed since childhood (i.e., they've been gathered from all over the universe by the First Order). And Rey, at least in TFA, has a compelling story and is a empathetic character, one very similar to Luke in IV. And that being Ridley's first major roll makes her performance even more impressive. She had absolutely massive shoes to fill considering the hype, and she ****ing delivered. No, she's not Luke (and yes, I prefer Luke), but I can absolutely see how kids today will be drawn to her and view her as their heroine into adulthood.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

That is one of the big theories right now. That when Palpatine was talking about the Sith who conquered death that it was due to the fact that he learned how to basically take over bodies and he was getting Anakin ready for it. That is why he wanted Luke on the Death Star instead of Vader.

I understand what Rian was doing and it had to be done at some point but you don't just break from the entire Skywalker plot right after reintroducing the characters after 30 years.

I typed up a long post on Sixpack about it. They way they tried to interject humor into some scenes was kind of cringe worthy. Luke throwing away the lightsaber doesn't fit the character or the scene. On top of that, why is Rey the one who goes to him and not Chewie. He doesn't know Rey. The whole milking scene was just creepy.

Rey becomes a Jedi in like 3 days. She was basically faster at it than Anakin or Luke, Anakin was made from the force so this makes zero sense. I get having to speed things up but the time line just doesn't work out very well.

The entire plan to basically empty the ships then ram into a Star Destroyer could have been told to Poe since he is a senior leader of the Resistance. Leia would know that Poe wouldn't just sit around on his hands. He is begging to know they are doing something and they just ignore him. On top of that, the plan is to use one of their top military minds to kamikaze the ship. Other than Leia, she is supposed to be the most important person in the Resistance. They could have used a droid or some low level private and it makes a ton more sense.

I am not even talking about the Rose/Finn side quest that was a complete waste of time unless it was to introduce the force kid at the stable or Benicio's character who turned on them. They could have completely cut that out of the film and you wouldn't even notice. Also, Phasma went out like a bitch but I guess it does harken back to Bobba Fett getting accidentally knocked into the Sarlacc Pit. Supposedly one of the best warriors in the galaxy killed by a janitor.

I overall like the new characters, Kylo is kind of emo but ok, I like Rey, Finn, and Poe. Rose is optimistic which you need in the movie.

I also liked the opening with Poe being a badass in the XWing but the joke about not hearing Hux just went on too long. It was kind of funny at first but then just became cringeworthy.

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When I watched the Last Jedi I felt like they were trying to make Star Wars into a Marvel Movie or something with all of the humor and it just didn't fit at all. Every scene doesn't need a joke in it.

I agree about Leia not telling Poe the plan not making sense. Yes, he was demoted but that's not the time to teach someone a lesson. I didn't like the Leia Mary Poppins scene either.


Solo was a good movie and I think is going to end up being the most underrated movie in the franchise for now. It suffered from oversaturation and bad timing. In hindsight I wish they would have made more anthology films instead of a new trilogy.


My personal theory is that Rey is going to be the child of Han and Kira from Solo. At least that's what makes sense to me. And I do think that they want to tie things back to the anthology films. Plus I find it VERY plausible that Han and Kira would continue to have a side relationship even though they went their separate ways and had their separate lives. That would make sense to me as to why Kylo Ren told her that her parents were "nobodies" since he hated Han. And it would make sense as to why she was left stranded in the desert. Having an illegitimate daughter could be a BIG burden for both Han and Kira. Han and Kira are both really good fighters as is Rey and Han is a good pilot which would also explain why Rey is also a good natural pilot as well.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

The problem is Kathleen Kennedy. She doesn't have a clue what to do with the franchise. She even said that The Rise of Skywalker as a title means nothing. It's just a title.

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Well, she's not going to give away major plot points out before the movie comes out like that.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Well, I'm certainly not happy with every decision she's made, but Kennedy has taken huge steps at helping make Star Wars part of the social fabric for a new generation of fans, while (for the most part) keeping the momentum going forward for the future, while also honoring the past.

Food for thought...George Lucas' idea of bringing in young viewers: Jar Jar Binks.....Kennedy's idea of bringing in young viewers: Porgs......give me Porgs, by a ****ing mile.

Seriously, people forget how stagnated Lucas Arts as a production company had become since the end of the prequels, in all mediums: film, tv, video game, etc. George Lucas was a micromanaging crazy person, and his company, and more importantly the fans, suffered because of it.

This is a great article I still remember reading in GI back a few years ago, regarding the video game segment of Lucas Arts.
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ry-studio.aspx

Also, this notion that adding diversity to Star Wars is somehow cheapening the product is bullshit. And apparently "diversity" means 1) a female lead, and 2) a black storm trooper....shudder.** Finn's character being black makes sense, considering how the new Storm Troopers are basically kidnapped children who've been trained/brainwashed since childhood (i.e., they've been gathered from all over the universe by the First Order). And Rey, at least in TFA, has a compelling story and is a empathetic character, one very similar to Luke in IV. And that being Ridley's first major roll makes her performance even more impressive. She had absolutely massive shoes to fill considering the hype, and she ****ing delivered. No, she's not Luke (and yes, I prefer Luke), but I can absolutely see how kids today will be drawn to her and view her as their heroine into adulthood.

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I personally have no problems with any of the characters. I enjoyed Force Awakens even though it was a little redundant. I don't mind changing up things but Last Jedi just wasn't a good movie. Without the Star Wars name, it probably would have bombed. It seems like JJ Abrams actually understood what fans didn't like about it. Rian just got defensive and basically said that fans didn't like him changing things up even though the plot was the worst of any Star Wars movie. When the redeeming quality of the movie is it doesn't have Jar Jar then you know it is bad.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I don't mind changing up things but Last Jedi just wasn't a good movie. Without the Star Wars name, it probably would have bombed. It seems like JJ Abrams actually understood what fans didn't like about it. Rian just got defensive and basically said that fans didn't like him changing things up even though the plot was the worst of any Star Wars movie. When the redeeming quality of the movie is it doesn't have Jar Jar then you know it is bad.

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Oh, I agree. The writing for TLJ was really really bad (who wrote it again?*), from the slow chase, the force-flying Leia, cheapening Snoke, the Rey's parents troll-job, the mutiny on the Bounty, and definitely the whole unnecessary excursion on the casino planet. It was really bad. I know she gets a lot of deserved ire, but who knows how Rose's character would've been had her dialogue not been so bad (again, who wrote that shit again?***). That scene where she kissed Finn was cringe worthy. My post about Jar Jar and the Porgs was just referencing the fact that there have been childish and cheesy creatures/characters in previous SW films as well (e.g., Droids in IV, Ewoks in VI).

Your point about changing up things is true as well. I don't mind that Rian went and pulled a 360 with Luke's character (i.e., the hero deconstruction), because its really a bold, not to mention brave, move. It's not what I wanted, obviously, but I can respect his decision to do it....Hell, Mark Hamill has been on record saying he hated the direction of Luke in TLJ, but he still bought in to Rian's vision. It was everything else in toto that made the move suck.

I really can't express into words how awesome it made me feel to the scene with puppet Yoda....the writing there was absolutely perfect. Yoda was still teaching Luke, showing him the way just like before. Not to mention, it was funny irreverent Yoda like we saw in Empire, not the CGI Yoda that only discussed trade embargo's and midichlorians we got during the prequels.

All of that being said, TLJ is bad, but still isn't the worst (or even next to worst) Star Wars films; hell, just based on pure cinematic qualities, it's still better than any of the prequels, regardless of how we view it in regards to canon. And as I said in the first post, I'm relieved JJ is back at the helm. I really think he'll do a good job of healing the wreckage left by TLJ.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Shit, you got me*

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Just wanted to say that Family Guy Star Wars is Awesome.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Oh, I agree. The writing for TLJ was really really bad (who wrote it again?*), from the slow chase, the force-flying Leia, cheapening Snoke, the Rey's parents troll-job, the mutiny on the Bounty, and definitely the whole unnecessary excursion on the casino planet. It was really bad. I know she gets a lot of deserved ire, but who knows how Rose's character would've been had her dialogue not been so bad (again, who wrote that shit again?***). That scene where she kissed Finn was cringe worthy. My post about Jar Jar and the Porgs was just referencing the fact that there have been childish and cheesy creatures/characters in previous SW films as well (e.g., Droids in IV, Ewoks in VI).

Your point about changing up things is true as well. I don't mind that Rian went and pulled a 360 with Luke's character (i.e., the hero deconstruction), because its really a bold, not to mention brave, move. It's not what I wanted, obviously, but I can respect his decision to do it....Hell, Mark Hamill has been on record saying he hated the direction of Luke in TLJ, but he still bought in to Rian's vision. It was everything else in toto that made the move suck.

I really can't express into words how awesome it made me feel to the scene with puppet Yoda....the writing there was absolutely perfect. Yoda was still teaching Luke, showing him the way just like before. Not to mention, it was funny irreverent Yoda like we saw in Empire, not the CGI Yoda that only discussed trade embargo's and midichlorians we got during the prequels.

All of that being said, TLJ is bad, but still isn't the worst (or even next to worst) Star Wars films; hell, just based on pure cinematic qualities, it's still better than any of the prequels, regardless of how we view it in regards to canon. And as I said in the first post, I'm relieved JJ is back at the helm. I really think he'll do a good job of healing the wreckage left by TLJ.

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Cinematically, it was a beautiful movie. I think Topher Grace can probably edit it into a decent movie the way he is rumored to have done with the prequels. The poor actress who was Rose gets so much shit but she had a horrible plot and dialog in the movie. A lot of my issues with the movie was after the fact and I started thinking and discussing it. At the end of the day, all of the Star Wars movies have some type of cringe worthy scene. Not many people think about the Return of the Jedi having carnivore teddy bears. LOL

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Food for thought...George Lucas' idea of bringing in young viewers: Jar Jar Binks.....Kennedy's idea of bringing in young viewers: Porgs......give me Porgs, by a ****ing mile.

Seriously, people forget how stagnated Lucas Arts as a production company had become since the end of the prequels, in all mediums: film, tv, video game, etc. George Lucas was a micromanaging crazy person, and his company, and more importantly the fans, suffered because of it.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

After the shit heap that was the Lucas Prequels, I longed for practical effects, big set pieces, and a reverence for the original material.

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Amen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJlgpozN31s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4TX6x2WLgk

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Cinematically, it was a beautiful movie. I think Topher Grace can probably edit it into a decent movie the way he is rumored to have done with the prequels. The poor actress who was Rose gets so much shit but she had a horrible plot and dialog in the movie. A lot of my issues with the movie was after the fact and I started thinking and discussing it. At the end of the day, all of the Star Wars movies have some type of cringe worthy scene. Not many people think about the Return of the Jedi having carnivore teddy bears. LOL

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My son and I took a weekend and did a modified "Machete Order" marathon leading up to TLJ - https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/20...pdate-and-faq/

We started with Rogue One, then IV, V, II, III, VI, VII. It is amazing how much better everything is when you eliminate Phantom Menace.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

My son and I took a weekend and did a modified "Machete Order" marathon leading up to TLJ - https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/20...pdate-and-faq/

We started with Rogue One, then IV, V, II, III, VI, VII. It is amazing how much better everything is when you eliminate Phantom Menace.

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I will have to try that. We did a viewing order for the Marvel movies leading up to Avengers Infinity War and it makes it pretty cool going into it. Does anyone know where you can actually see the Topher Grace edit or is it impossible to find on the internet?

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Oh, I agree. The writing for TLJ was really really bad (who wrote it again?*), from the slow chase, the force-flying Leia, cheapening Snoke, the Rey's parents troll-job, the mutiny on the Bounty, and definitely the whole unnecessary excursion on the casino planet. It was really bad. I know she gets a lot of deserved ire, but who knows how Rose's character would've been had her dialogue not been so bad (again, who wrote that shit again?***). That scene where she kissed Finn was cringe worthy. My post about Jar Jar and the Porgs was just referencing the fact that there have been childish and cheesy creatures/characters in previous SW films as well (e.g., Droids in IV, Ewoks in VI).

Your point about changing up things is true as well. I don't mind that Rian went and pulled a 360 with Luke's character (i.e., the hero deconstruction), because its really a bold, not to mention brave, move. It's not what I wanted, obviously, but I can respect his decision to do it....Hell, Mark Hamill has been on record saying he hated the direction of Luke in TLJ, but he still bought in to Rian's vision. It was everything else in toto that made the move suck.

I really can't express into words how awesome it made me feel to the scene with puppet Yoda....the writing there was absolutely perfect. Yoda was still teaching Luke, showing him the way just like before. Not to mention, it was funny irreverent Yoda like we saw in Empire, not the CGI Yoda that only discussed trade embargo's and midichlorians we got during the prequels.

All of that being said, TLJ is bad, but still isn't the worst (or even next to worst) Star Wars films; hell, just based on pure cinematic qualities, it's still better than any of the prequels, regardless of how we view it in regards to canon. And as I said in the first post, I'm relieved JJ is back at the helm. I really think he'll do a good job of healing the wreckage left by TLJ.

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TLJ points to a couple of things: First, if you are doing a defined series of movies, you have to lock up the creative team/cast/etc. for the run of the movies or you run the risk of things getting squirrely. There was no excuse for JJ and Lawrence Kasdan not being locked down for all 3 films. However, JJ is also not perfect and can create some middling films for something that should have been in his wheelhouse (see the Star Trek reboot), so we have no reason to believe his version of TLJ would have been better, because......

Second, you have to keep in mind that the direction of the plot lines is in sync with where the honchos are shepherding the SW universe to. Ultimately you have to create a new generation of characters, their back stories, and their story arcs while transitioning from the old characters - all within a 3 movie time frame. If Disney didn't want the movie to go the way they did, they would have canned Johnson because they can't afford to have the series fail (see Solo and the Ron Howard rescue). While Johnson's choices may have not been the most agreeable, he did create possibly the most talked about movie I've seen in a long time. I have assume that it is all going somewhere, and that it was mapped out well - it's just not where the fans want it to go.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

TLJ points to a couple of things: First, if you are doing a defined series of movies, you have to lock up the creative team/cast/etc. for the run of the movies or you run the risk of things getting squirrely. There was no excuse for JJ and Lawrence Kasdan not being locked down for all 3 films. However, JJ is also not perfect and can create some middling films for something that should have been in his wheelhouse (see the Star Trek reboot), so we have no reason to believe his version of TLJ would have been better, because......

Second, you have to keep in mind that the direction of the plot lines is in sync with where the honchos are shepherding the SW universe to. Ultimately you have to create a new generation of characters, their back stories, and their story arcs while transitioning from the old characters - all within a 3 movie time frame. If Disney didn't want the movie to go the way they did, they would have canned Johnson because they can't afford to have the series fail (see Solo and the Ron Howard rescue). While Johnson's choices may have not been the most agreeable, he did create possibly the most talked about movie I've seen in a long time. I have assume that it is all going somewhere, and that it was mapped out well - it's just not where the fans want it to go.

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TLJ was also shot around the same time as Solo and it supposedly took some of the actors going to Kennedy behind the directors back to have something don about Solo. I am not sure they had any feedback from TLJ before it was released. At that time they thought no Star Wars movie could fail. I don't think they had any idea that they would get any type of bad reviews and TLJ along with the rumors of how bad Solo was before Ron Howard reshot almost everything sunk Solo. I actually liked Solo where I thought TLJ was just mediocre.

I think they did want it to shake some things up but didn't expect the direction that Rian would go would be disliked by the majority of fans. Unlike Paul Feig with the female Ghostbusters, Rian can't claim people hated it for any bias reasons since Force Awakens was well liked with the same characters.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

My son and I took a weekend and did a modified "Machete Order" marathon leading up to TLJ - https://www.nomachetejuggling.com/20...pdate-and-faq/

We started with Rogue One, then IV, V, II, III, VI, VII. It is amazing how much better everything is when you eliminate Phantom Menace.

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I think that the fact that Star Wars has kind of shifted away from Luke's story unintentionally has made it less enjoyable. It is still about Luke but it's less about Luke.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think that the fact that Star Wars has kind of shifted away from Luke's story unintentionally has made it less enjoyable. It is still about Luke but it's less about Luke.

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It had to happen at some point so I think it was a good idea especially if they can make him force ghost/cameo in the next one to keep him involved. I just didn't like the way they had the character change so radically. I get him being ashamed of not taking care of Ben and also helping drive him to the dark side but the comedy they tried to interject there didn't work at all. Mark Hamill didn't agree with it either but he went back and did damage control over what he said. He didn't think Luke would act that way either. Rian Johnson just got mad that most fans didn't like his take on the movie so now JJ is trying to course correct for the future of Star Wars.

I am not sure what Rian's Star Wars trilogy will look like but hopefully it is better when he isn't creating a sequel from something he didn't write. Overall it was a cool looking movie but the plot was extremely weak. I did enjoy parts of it but the other parts were pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I will have to try that. We did a viewing order for the Marvel movies leading up to Avengers Infinity War and it makes it pretty cool going into it. Does anyone know where you can actually see the Topher Grace edit or is it impossible to find on the internet?

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It can't be found anywhere. He showed it live to about 50 people and the word trickled out that it was wonderful. Due to copyright laws he couldn't put it out. If you manage to find it PLEASE send me a link but I've looked high and low for several years. He did, recently, put out a trailer that combined EVERY Staw Wars moved called Star Wars: Always. It is magnificent and can be found on YouTube.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

He did, recently, put out a trailer that combined EVERY Staw Wars moved called Star Wars: Always. It is magnificent and can be found on YouTube.

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I watched this a couple weeks ago, but didn't realize Topher Grace put it together. I really is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoWJywrOuw&t=37s

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I watched this a couple weeks ago, but didn't realize Topher Grace put it together. I really is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoWJywrOuw&t=37s

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I watched it when it first came out and just rewatched it. Thanks for the link. If only Topher could just edit every Star Wars movie.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Well, I'm certainly not happy with every decision she's made, but Kennedy has taken huge steps at helping make Star Wars part of the social fabric for a new generation of fans, while (for the most part) keeping the momentum going forward for the future, while also honoring the past.

Food for thought...George Lucas' idea of bringing in young viewers: Jar Jar Binks.....Kennedy's idea of bringing in young viewers: Porgs......give me Porgs, by a ****ing mile.

Seriously, people forget how stagnated Lucas Arts as a production company had become since the end of the prequels, in all mediums: film, tv, video game, etc. George Lucas was a micromanaging crazy person, and his company, and more importantly the fans, suffered because of it.

This is a great article I still remember reading in GI back a few years ago, regarding the video game segment of Lucas Arts.
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ry-studio.aspx

Also, this notion that adding diversity to Star Wars is somehow cheapening the product is bullshit. And apparently "diversity" means 1) a female lead, and 2) a black storm trooper....shudder.** Finn's character being black makes sense, considering how the new Storm Troopers are basically kidnapped children who've been trained/brainwashed since childhood (i.e., they've been gathered from all over the universe by the First Order). And Rey, at least in TFA, has a compelling story and is a empathetic character, one very similar to Luke in IV. And that being Ridley's first major roll makes her performance even more impressive. She had absolutely massive shoes to fill considering the hype, and she ****ing delivered. No, she's not Luke (and yes, I prefer Luke), but I can absolutely see how kids today will be drawn to her and view her as their heroine into adulthood.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Well, she's not going to give away major plot points out before the movie comes out like that.

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Have you guys actually watched Kathleen Kennedy interviews and listened to the insane shit that comes out of her mouth? Listen to some of the Solo interviews.