Fair post and good questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
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Fair post and good questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Not necessarily. See Todd Grantham with MSU last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Sometimes people have to take the best job they can get. Manny Diaz had to go to La Tech after MSU and Texas before going to MSU and Miami.
Most head coaches want to bring in their guys that they know well and are comfortable with and typically only keep one or two guys for continuity usually for recruiting purposes. North Carolina hired Tom Cross to replace Deke Adams- and Cross is a coach that has been with Mack Brown before. Just like Lance Thompson who replaced Adams at South Carolina and had coached with Will Muschamp before as well.
It just happens that way sometimes. Brian Baker was coaching HS football, Dameyune Craig spent last season as a Quality Control Coach, & Lance Thompson is at the house right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
What if Shoop wanted him?
Lol...then Shoop don’t know as much as some posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barking 13
Seems like a solid hire to me. That loser USC coach before Muschamp...Spurrhead? Sparkle? Spu-something....anyway, doubt he could remotely recognize coaching ability either.
Good assistants cost $$$.... Cohen don?t play that game.
We hired Baker away from a high schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
So you think Spurrier is a "loser coach"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgowar
It was a Texas High School too.**Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I'm trusting Shoop on this one. Sometimes folks need a different environment or something that rejuvenates them. Baker became a "great" DL coach with Shoop and I think Shoop had a lot to do with that. Baker was pretty good anyway but ... just saying he took it up another level with Shoop. Plus, you can't argue with the talent Baker had.
What pissed me off so much about Baker leaving was where he went, who he went to work for, and how it all went down. Can't stand that little sawed-off midget. Used to have some respect for him, but have lost it all now.
Also, I just think coaching continuity matters somewhat. In team sports, whether it's the players, coaches or whatever, team chemistry matters. And our D staff had good chemistry from what Shoop has said previously.
We matched offers on all assistants we lost, and with Baker even exceeded what he was offered is my understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
While we need to pay them, I can understand Cohen not wanting to break the bank until someone has proven themselves somewhat ... since most anyone we get are either up-and-comers or have question marks on their resumes. Once they prove themselves, like Baker, then re-up their contract and make it a good one ... which is what I think Cohen did.
I kind of look at it like the Head Coach Rehab system Saban has going on at Bama with his off-field staff. Saban is out their pulling guys off the trash heap and using them for game planning, or coordinators left and right - and everyone calls him a genius. Almost all those guys were considered "great" at one point and flamed out at somewhere along the line. Sark is going thru a second time because he sucked so bad with the Falcons. We are just doing it with position level coaches. As long as we have continuity at the top, I think we will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I agree OC & DC are the main guys for continuity purposes. D staff isn't that important but I do believe continuity in O staff is a plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Saban is not a genius although he is very good on the D side of the ball. He's a good CEO type too from an organization/process standpoint, and very good recruiter. He has to have superior talent tho. If the playing field was level in all areas ... Saban would be better than average but not always at the top of the heap. He'd probably have 2 to 3 nattys instead of what he has. Game has evolved from his core philosophies on offense and that's a challenge to him. Far superior talent and SEC refs making a difference in 3 or so games a year where Bama is challenged from a talent/coaching standpoint is keeping him at the very top.
He played it with Baker and Huff..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Do you mean the guy Memphis just hired earlier this month?
https://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...ll/2463247002/
https://twitter.com/CoachDekeAdams/s...68515928776706
That narrative also doesn’t hold true if the stories of what we offered Grantham are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
It’s not a narrative. We offered to extend Huff through 2021 or 2022 and pay rise. We counter offered Baker even after the new contract extension with higher money than Bama originally offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
USC and UNC fans think the guy's awful. USC and UNC have both been weak in the trenches under him, and this doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. I hear he's a good recruiter, but you need people who can actually coach too.
This makes it even more depressing. They just did'nt want to be at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Rb coach - we have a glaring hole coming up at the position. Bama will have an endless supply of 5-stars. Probably a good time for huff to bolt to keep the hype up from Barkley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Dl coach - we have some really good ends with major question marks on the inside. Again, he'll have nothing but elite talent at Bama. This season was probably the peak of baker's stock at state.