Does exceeding our preseason rank mean we had a successful season?

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Originally Posted by testuser

Total record: 570-547-37 (lost or tied more times than have won)

Adjusted record (not sure what this means): 553-565-36 (lost or tied more times than have won)


So, please take off your Mr/Ms optimist glasses and face reality.

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Who cares what happened decades ago? What's our record since the SEC expansion kicked off the modern era of football?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Who cares what happened decades ago? What's our record since the SEC expansion kicked off the modern era of football?

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Two 10 win seasons in around 30 years although that was somehow the expectation this year. One of which happened when the SEC West wasn't dominating college football.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I agree that the bar probably needs to be raised. My problem is a lot of people raised the bar to basically the best season in MSU history or it was a disappointment. People act like 10-2 was a given even though we have 4 years in over 100 hundred seasons that has happened.

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That's not completely true, at least not the way you spin it. It's not an every year thing either. Is it not okay for us to have thought 10 regular season wins this year was a very real possibility and be disappointed that we didn't achieve it? Why does this bother so many fans whenever all the stars were looking to align? We can't I look at the pieces we have and say based on last year and what I expect the new pieces to be, we look like a 10+ win team?

We won 8 regular season games last year and would've won 9 if Ole Miss hadn't taken out Fitz in that game. It seems and seemed pretty reasonable for us to at the minimum maintain that, but probably improve upon that, because we have some really amazing talent, and a lot of it. Turns out a couple of teams were a little better than we thought and our coach didn't have us anywhere near where we needed to be to compete for that number of wins. 10 wins with a great hire for a coach was very much in play. It wasn't even close to a long shot given last years season, so it makes complete sense for me to want and expect at the minimum 9 wins (assuming no major injuries). We were wrong about Moorhead more than we were wrong about Kentucky, Florida, and maybe LSU. We had tough games last year too. We played Georgia, Bama, and Auburn last year, who all finished the season in the top 10 and Bama and Georgia were 1 and 2.

Our expectations weren't out of line for our team. Where we were most wrong was thinking Moorhead is an offensive genius. He is not. He may be able to run 1 system good if he has the right players, but we were way wrong about him being an all around great coach. I admit I was wrong about him now, but if he was what I thought he was coming into the season, we are at a minimum a 9 win team this year, and very likely 10 win team.

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

That's not completely true, at least not the way you spin it. It's not an every year thing either. Is it not okay for us to have thought 10 regular season wins this year was a very real possibility and be disappointed that we didn't achieve it? Why does this bother so many fans whenever all the stars were looking to align? We can't I look at the pieces we have and say based on last year and what I expect the new pieces to be, we look like a 10+ win team?

We won 8 regular season games last year and would've won 9 if Ole Miss hadn't taken out Fitz in that game. It seems and seemed pretty reasonable for us to at the minimum maintain that, but probably improve upon that, because we have some really amazing talent, and a lot of it. Turns out a couple of teams were a little better than we thought and our coach didn't have us anywhere near where we needed to be to compete for that number of wins. 10 wins with a great hire for a coach was very much in play. It wasn't even close to a long shot given last years season, so it makes complete sense for me to want and expect at the minimum 9 wins (assuming no major injuries). We were wrong about Moorhead more than we were wrong about Kentucky, Florida, and maybe LSU. We had tough games last year too. We played Georgia, Bama, and Auburn last year, who all finished the season in the top 10 and Bama and Georgia were 1 and 2.

Our expectations weren't out of line for our team. Where we were most wrong was thinking Moorhead is an offensive genius. He is not. He may be able to run 1 system good if he has the right players, but we were way wrong about him being an all around great coach. I admit I was wrong about him now, but if he was what I thought he was coming into the season, we are at a minimum a 9 win team this year, and very likely 10 win team.

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1) Expecting basically the greatest season in MSU history is expecting a lot. Was it possible, yes but likely probably not.

2) Expecting 10 wins actually didn't take into account that maybe Fitz isn't very good in Moorhead's offense. It doesn't mean Fitz is a horrible QB. He is a Great QB in Mullen's offense, not so great in Moorhead's. This fact hands down cost us UF along with Mitchell not catching the damn ball when Fitz actually threw a good pass.

Everyone was talking about Moorhead's offense typically took 4-5 games before it really clicked. It didn't help that we ended up playing at UK during that process.

Answer honestly, if you replace at UK with at UGA, does your opinion change? Guess what, UK is actually giving up less points per game than UGA did last year although it is less than 1 point difference.

UF is honestly the biggest head scratcher but we just all assumed Mullen wouldn't improve them into a top 15 team this year. Everyone thinks about UF sucking last year but they still have top 15 talent. Even with that, we win if Mitchell catches that ball.