Reggie Collier may be the best I've ever watched, until Tua. He's certainly in that list. Tua is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
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Reggie Collier may be the best I've ever watched, until Tua. He's certainly in that list. Tua is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I don't see how anyone can say Fitz is in the same conversation as Tebow. His most commonly executed pass is a 60 MPH bullet at someone's ankles from 10 yards away. Y'all are blinded by fandom, or the prisoner-of-the-moment-microwave-society.
Stats be damned, what do your eyes tell you? Its Tebow by a mile.
It's no slight to not be as as good as one of the all time best; that doesn't make someone sucks.
I would love to see Reggie play in Todays game. Remember he was the 1st college QB to pass and rush for 1000 yards in one season. And he did that with a rubber collarbone which he tore up in his HS junior year..Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I think Fitz has more pro potential than Tebow did. I'm a Denver fan and Tebow had the arm strength of a wet noodle.
At what?
I'm the biggest Fitz homer there is - and even I would say probably not. However, they really are different players.
Tebow actually was a QB who could run, and run well. He threw for 9800+ yards and 95 TDs, and ran for 3100+ yards and 62 TDs in high school in 3 seasons. He was already a QB legend before committing to UF - I know, I had to watch the weekly Tebow love fest on the Jacksonville news every week. They covered him like he played for the Jags. And as noted in the thread, he was surrounded by 4 & 5 star talent.
Fitz was a long-shot project that Dan took a flier on. He was an All-Region WR as a JR, and back up QB in a Triple-Option system, who went to summer camps to learn to play QB for his Senior season. He ran for almost 1,500 yards his senior year and only thew 74 passes for 766 yards and 12 TDs. The fact that this kid worked himself to the level he has, and beat out 3 other more experienced guys to take over the team in 2016 is unreal, and is virtually unprecedented. People say Dak was raw - but Dak was a polished, experienced QB compared to where Fitz was when he walked on campus. Dak had almost 5,000 yards passing in high school and 66 TDs, and had won a State Title.
Our fans think because he hasn't advanced further then he has means that he doesn't work, or hasn't put time in, or is a bad leader. I call BS on that. No way the guy gets to where he is right now without working his ass off. A guy who had thrown less then 100 in game passes comes in as a sophomore and almost single-handedly saves a season going in the shitter in 2016 - beating out 3 other guys - gets there by working his ass off. A guy who, if it hadn't been for a cheap shot probably leads us to a 10 win season last year (no way we lose to OM if Nick doesn't break his ankle), gets there by working his ass off. A guy who comes back from a career threatening injury to get back on the field and learn an entirely new offense, gets there by working his ass off. The kid may be a little immature, may listen to his girlfriend a little too much, may carry himself in a way that rubs some people wrong, may like to party (like every other MSU QB - I saw Sleepy at the Landing many Thursday nights). But, name me any other QB in the country who has come from where Fitz did and has accomplished as much.
TE for the Jacksonville Jags.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Well, hell yeah.... Fitz would snatch up that "Matt Jones Award" over Tebow, easyyyyyyyyyy...Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
Sleepy?? Heck John Bond for that matter/ If Eddie Horneback had been the QB instead of JB there wouldn't have been much drop off in parting. What were the rumors the night before the Liberty Bowl; some unamed starters were holding up the walls of beale street at 2am.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Fant>Eli**
You tryin' to trigger me with that "greater than" sign, ain'tcha?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Exactly....Fitz never had near the talent around him Tebow did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BeardoMSU again. (used the Italics, too)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Tebow won games. At the end of the day football is about winning not how pretty you pass the ball. Tebow will forever have a winning record as a starting NFL QB and a playoff win as well. Two things that a majority of QBs that ever play in the NFL don't have. I firmly believe that if the Jags had totally bought into Tebow and built a team around him that was defense oriented first with big bruising RBs and WRs mixed in with fast twitch slot guys like Percy Harvin and some hybrid TEs like he had a Florida than they could have had a nice 5-6 year stretch with Tebow at the helm. It doesn't matter now for them as they are now a top 10 NFL franchise but they coulda gotten there quicker with him. Tebow is one of the greatest leaders in any sport all time. I don't think that's up for debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sacrifice
Tebow won a Heisman and was a finalist two other times. His WR corps, while better then what we have, was not great. Fitz is a Top 5 QB in MSU history, Tebow is a Top 5 all time player in SEC history. I love Fitz but it’s not remotely close.
I'm not disagreeing with you about Fitz/Tebow, but UF had five WR's and a TE who played on the NC teams drafted. We have one WR, Guidry, who's even on the rader to be drafted right now, and he's got a ton of work to do. The two groups under Fitz and Tebow are about as far apart as the two QB's are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
eta: actually it was two TE's.
Fitz is a terrible passing QB. Tebow was considerably better. There's no debate.
I do believe the change in scheme and his injury really hurt him this year though.
Not great? Lets see who all Tebow had to throw to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
Percy Harvin - 1st round 2009 to the Vikings, 8 years in the NFL
Andre Caldwell - 3rd round 2009 to the Bengals, 8 years in the NFL
Riley Cooper - 5th round 2010 to Eagles, 6 years in the NFL
Louis Murphy - 4th round 2009 to Raiders, 8 years in the NFL
Aaron Hernandez - 4th round 2010 to Pats, 3 years in NFL and would still be playing if he wasn't a murderer
David Nelson - UDF, spent 5 years with Bills and Jets
Deonte Thompson - UDF, 7 years in the NFL - still active with Cowboys
Fitz has thrown to Fred Ross - an UDF who has never been in a game and Jordan Thomas, a 6th round pick who Dan Mullen couldn't figure out how to use.
That is a HUGE difference in quality of receivers.
lol no.
Not even close.
fans can be really stupid sometimes