Bo Bounds: Would Hud Be 5-0 Right Now?

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10-04-2018, 08:52 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Now Mullen, he probably does have us at 5-0, 4-1 at worst. Personally, I don't think he beats Kentucky - but that is arguable. What I do know, is that Dan would likely lose 1 of AU or LSU plus Bama, and possibly all 3. He couldn't beat teams with elite defenses, and he wouldn't do it with this team for the same reason that Moorhead has failed so far - elite defenses shut down our running game and force us to pass the ball and we don't have the talent on the OL, the QB or at WR to do that against top line defenses.

So instead of not being able to move the ball against elite defenses, we now can't move the ball against even moderately competent ones. 400 yards and 13 points combined in 2 SEC games.
10-04-2018, 08:57 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

So instead of not being able to move the ball against elite defenses, we now can't move the ball against even moderately competent ones. 400 yards and 13 points combined in 2 SEC games.

Kentucky - the #3 scoring defense is the country is moderately competent? Our arrogance about Kentucky if laughable.
UF - #9 in scoring defense - Grantham again proving why he is one of the best in the country.

So, which one of those defenses aren't playing at an elite level right now? And justify it without saying "they are only ranked so high because our offense is so bad"
10-04-2018, 08:57 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by stalkingpoon

Better question would be:

What coaches would NOT be 5-0 right now?

Exactly. There are a lot of coaches who would be 5-0 right now with this team, which is precisely why it is so upsetting. Everyone keeps saying we're still 3-2 and the 2 losses are to good teams, but the bottom line is that most coaches would have us at 5-0 right now. This has not been the tough part of our schedule.
10-04-2018, 08:58 AM
Cooterpoot

Why do y'all listen to Bo Bounds? He's a damn joke.
10-04-2018, 08:59 AM
smootness

Anyone who thinks Mullen loses to Kentucky with this team is insane.
10-04-2018, 09:01 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

There is a difference in criticism and concern about production, and raving like loons about firing a guy 5 games into the season.
And throw Nutt and Freeze out of this conversation completely. Nutt has been out of the game 10 years and what he would have done with this type team is irrelevant .
Freeze never ran the ball with any real success. So what would he do with an offense that couldn't pass and had no top end WR talent?

And Hud. A guy that couldn't win at U La La would have us at 5-0? The Hud myth will never die. And Bobby Wallace should have replaced The Kang in '96.

Now Mullen, he probably does have us at 5-0, 4-1 at worst. Personally, I don't think he beats Kentucky - but that is arguable. What I do know, is that Dan would likely lose 1 of AU or LSU plus Bama, and possibly all 3. He couldn't beat teams with elite defenses, and he wouldn't do it with this team for the same reason that Moorhead has failed so far - elite defenses shut down our running game and force us to pass the ball and we don't have the talent on the OL, the QB or at WR to do that against top line defenses.

I never said we should fire Moorhead. I'm a long way from that, but I better see real improvement that tells me what we are seeing is growing pains rather than ineptness
10-04-2018, 09:03 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Kentucky - the #3 scoring defense is the country is moderately competent? Our arrogance about Kentucky if laughable.
UF - #9 in scoring defense - Grantham again proving why he is one of the best in the country.

So, which one of those defenses aren't playing at an elite level right now? And justify it without saying "they are only ranked so high because our offense is so bad"

Kentucky has played the #92 offense (Florida), #51 offense (USC), #52 offense (MSU), #129 offense (Central Mich.), and an FCS team. So yes, I do believe their stats are quite inflated -- just like our offensive stats were inflated through 3 games. We can revisit this if they slow down Texas A&M.

Same deal with Florida. They've played #102 (Tennessee), #52 (State), #70 (Kentucky), #64 (Colorado State), and an FCS team.
10-04-2018, 09:05 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He's certainly not arrogant with the way he talks, but his actions say different. Perhaps foolish would be a better word.

You don't attempt to fix what isn't broke. There is a difference between "fixing" and "transitioning".

MSU's offense didn't need to be fixed. It needed to transition. Fixing something requires immediate change, while transitioning something means gradually evolving something.

Moorhead brought his system as you know, yes he needed to adjust to what works and hopefully moving forward things will be better. He made a mistake but bringing his system isn't surprising, every coach does.

Again, I don't like what I saw, but I ain't for firing him yet!
10-04-2018, 09:08 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Kentucky - the #3 scoring defense is the country is moderately competent? Our arrogance about Kentucky if laughable.
UF - #9 in scoring defense - Grantham again proving why he is one of the best in the country.

So, which one of those defenses aren't playing at an elite level right now? And justify it without saying "they are only ranked so high because our offense is so bad"

You realize that a large part of their rankings being that high (aside from not playing good offenses) is that they completely shut us down?

If we score 20 more points against UK (still not enough to win), they suddenly drop to the #15 scoring defense. If we put up 200 more yards against them, they drop to #28 there.

If we score 20 more points against UF, they drop to #22 in the country in scoring defense. And if we put up 200 more yards, they drop to #45 there.
10-04-2018, 09:08 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Why do y'all listen to Bo Bounds? He's a damn joke.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Cooterpoot again.
10-04-2018, 09:14 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I never said we should fire Moorhead. I'm a long way from that, but I better see real improvement that tells me what we are seeing is growing pains rather than ineptness

Yeah - didn't mean to make it sound like you specifically. Was meaning to be more general. And I agree. I'm in wait and see mode.
10-04-2018, 09:26 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Yeah - didn't mean to make it sound like you specifically. Was meaning to be more general. And I agree. I'm in wait and see mode.

I want to see improvement, fast. Moorhead came in with a pretty good resume. I did not expect to see this shit show on offense. And it's troubling.

If we see dramatic improvement over the next few weeks I'll back away from the ledge. But, if we are still stumbling around and totally inept in the Egg Bowl this administration may have a very hard decision to make.
10-04-2018, 09:26 AM
fader2103

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

Because (1) Kentucky is not good, (2) we didn't lose a competitive game, it was 3 TDs, and (3) we scored 7 points and had 45 yards in the second half. And the offense was not fixed in the next game; if anything, it was worse.

You are gonna be surprised when they beat TAMU this week.
10-04-2018, 09:28 AM
BhamDawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Kentucky - the #3 scoring defense is the country is moderately competent? Our arrogance about Kentucky if laughable.
UF - #9 in scoring defense - Grantham again proving why he is one of the best in the country.

So, which one of those defenses aren't playing at an elite level right now? And justify it without saying "they are only ranked so high because our offense is so bad"

I just went back and looked at all the final scores in the the Mullen era. There was only one two-game stretch where we scored as few points as we have the last two weeks, it was last year against Georgia (31-3) & Auburn (49-10). His next lowest two-game total was in 2012 when we played Alabama & A&M, we scored 20.

So, are you saying Kentucky & Florida are two of the four best defenses we have seen in 10 years?

Quit giving excuses for this man, his offense is a damn train wreck right now and I don?t think he can admit it.
10-04-2018, 09:48 AM
WeWonItAll(Most)

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Kentucky - the #3 scoring defense is the country is moderately competent? Our arrogance about Kentucky if laughable.
UF - #9 in scoring defense - Grantham again proving why he is one of the best in the country.

So, which one of those defenses aren't playing at an elite level right now? And justify it without saying "they are only ranked so high because our offense is so bad"

Weird that no one has responded to this.
10-04-2018, 09:50 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

Weird that no one has responded to this.

I clearly did. He tried to shut down part of the answer by saying you can't use it, but that's the reality - we are the worst performance so far against either defense. We are dragging those numbers down, period.
10-04-2018, 09:52 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

Weird that no one has responded to this.

There have been 2 responses to that...
10-04-2018, 09:55 AM
WeWonItAll(Most)

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Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)

Weird that no one has responded to this.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I clearly did. He tried to shut down part of the answer by saying you can't use it, but that's the reality - we are the worst performance so far against either defense. We are dragging those numbers down, period.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

There have been 2 responses to that...

My bad. If people keep replying to each other mobile view just quits showing the posts. Had to go to full site to see
10-04-2018, 10:10 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

Anyone who thinks Mullen loses to Kentucky with this team is insane.

I'll be the first to stick my hand in the air and say I was flat wrong about UK before we played them. They're legit good and are going to make a bowl easily, imo. They should beat Vandy and TN and they'll have a chance against Mizzou. Plus they still have MTSU and Louisville. They'll probably win 8 or 9 before it's all said and done.

That said, UF is exactly who I thought they were. A team that's decent on defense and bad on offense. They had no business coming into our house and winning, much less making us look like a clown show on offense. That's why people are so upset. I think we'd be in a much different frame of mind this week had Moorhead shown any growth and beaten FL. Instead, we look like we're going to struggle winning 6 in a year we should've won a minimum of 9.
10-04-2018, 10:11 AM
basedog

If winning ugly is good I'm all in! To say Kentucky isn't a good team is wrong, they are a top 25 team and I say that is good regardless of who they have beaten. After all it is the Sec and beating any team in our conference is a plus.

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