We All Underestimated How Good Mullen Was

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09-30-2018, 09:00 AM
BeastMan

No we didn’t. Some of us were smart enough to understand how great Mullen’s success was in context with our history. Only a total idiot didn’t appreciate Mullen.
09-30-2018, 09:00 AM
Dawgs87

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lane Kiffin and Neal Brown would've taken our job

Forgot about Lane. At the time, I was #AllIn for Lane.
09-30-2018, 09:05 AM
msstate7

This board bragged all offseason about how much we upgraded and that we hired the best of any teams in the offseason. Even went so far to say Moorhead > jimbo. We a bunch of dummies
09-30-2018, 09:06 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

No we didn?t. Some of us were smart enough to understand how great Mullen?s success was in context with our history. Only a total idiot didn?t appreciate Mullen.

You must've been living under a rock for the past 9 months if you don't think a good portion of the fan base underestimated Mullen. Maybe not you, but many many did.
09-30-2018, 09:09 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This board bragged all offseason about how much we upgraded and that we hired the best of any teams in the offseason. Even went so far to say Moorhead > jimbo. We a bunch of dummies

That also goes for a bunch of "dummies" in sports media. The same "dummies" had Coach O fired by early October.
09-30-2018, 09:23 AM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Who were our numerous options?

Neal Brown
Matt Candle
Mike Norvell
Scott Saterfield
Chris Hatcher
Dana Holgerson has some interest with his ties to MS.
09-30-2018, 09:26 AM
dawgday166

I've said all along that Mullen can be very good ... WHEN he wants to be. Also when he has talent. I tried earlier before KY team to caution everyone about this when everyone was counting FL as a sure win.

Let's all not forget that when Mullen had 8 wins or more going into Egg Bowl he lost to 2 very bad OM teams, 1 decimated by injuries, and 1 very good OM team (the only 1 that was better than us of the 4).

Mullen is a very good underdog. When picked to win easily over good team (like KY this year), he will do that also. And remember HIS clock management at end of 1st half.

Hev can really coach too ... when he wants to. Both he and Mullen didn't always WANT TO.

Moorhead has come down here and guess what ... HE'S been country clubbing it. And with the team too. We have talent, but walk-through, easy practices ain't gonna cut it down here. The staff and the players all have to put in the extra time outside of practice too.
09-30-2018, 09:34 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Some of us knew Mullen was really good all along

Get 17ed. Mullen is a loser in big games vs tough coaches.
09-30-2018, 09:36 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I think it's clear that we took him granted and never realized how much garbage and lack of talent he covered up.

Just look at the evidence:

- Last night Florida's OL can't block us. What does he do? All quick passes. Gets the ball out of the QB's hands with quick reads.

- 2010 vs Florida, has a QB that can't throw and beats Florida at the swamp without throwing in the 2nd half.

- 2015 he has a 160 lb running back and decides to throw all year.

We can complain all day about why Mullen didn't recruit better but it's more than evident that he was willing to adapt his offense to the strengths and weaknesses of the team and it's clear that we never gave him enough credit for that and that JoMo May not have the ability do that.

Some of us knew all along.
09-30-2018, 09:39 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

What folks undervalued was how Mullen ran the program. Everybody bitched and bitched about how he chose to play players...specifically RBs but that was all part of his program expectations. No doubt Mullen had control of the team. Folks bitched that he had too much control but we never looked unorganized and undisciplined under him.

IMO the lack of real discipline is the biggest thing this team lacks. It's showing up in our play and it's costing us.

They complained that he played RBs because of the way they pass blocked...now we're upset we're playing the RB who can't pass block.
09-30-2018, 09:42 AM
BeastMan

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You must've been living under a rock for the past 9 months if you don't think a good portion of the fan base underestimated Mullen. Maybe not you, but many many did.

Oh I agree with that but I’m just saying it was crazy talk. Folks were fatigued with Mullen and the leaving every year rumors and it clouded judgement
09-30-2018, 09:44 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by smootness

They complained that he played RBs because of the way they pass blocked...now we're upset we're playing the RB who can't pass block.

I did complain when he played Holloway over Aeris. Aeris missed assignments but when he didn't he at least tried his best to pass block and was way better than Holloway at it. Holloway didn't miss those assignments but, although he tried his best, the rusher would just swat him out of the way. You got the same result as Aeris missing an assignment ... but Aeris could gain yardage up the middle too ... which Holloway couldn't do.

Hill doesn't even try to pass block at all and he can't gain the tough yardage up the middle either.. He skeered of pass blocking tho.
09-30-2018, 09:45 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

They complained that he played RBs because of the way they pass blocked...now we're upset we're playing the RB who can't pass block.

Exactly. It's not just that either.
09-30-2018, 09:45 AM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Neal Brown
Matt Candle
Mike Norvell
Scott Saterfield
Chris Hatcher
Dana Holgerson has some interest with his ties to MS.

If they are so good, why are they ALL still at the job they had last year? They might eventually be good, but no one knocked down their doors and said oh my God younare the missing piece.

So you think the Memphis HC, the Samford HC, the Toledo HC, the Troy HC, and the App State HC were all guaranteed to be better than this?

Holgerson wasn't coming to MSU. If you can't see how awful that list is or can't see how awful it is for you to justify that those guys guaranteed would not be in the same position then I can't help you. Before this moment right now ALL of us would take Joe Moorhead every day of the week over every one of those guys. If you are being objective you take Moorhead over every one of them.
09-30-2018, 09:46 AM
msudawg1200

I?ve never said Mullen wasn?t good, but it wasn?t anything he did special to beat us. It was the bumbling giant on our sideline that did that.
09-30-2018, 09:47 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Neal Brown
Matt Candle
Mike Norvell
Scott Saterfield
Chris Hatcher
Dana Holgerson has some interest with his ties to MS.

Holgerson would've been just as bad because he would've changed the scheme as well.

I don't think you can make a sound argument that we should've hired another outside coach. I think the argument is if we should've just stayed in house and promoted from within, thus keeping the same schemes.

I'm under the belief that our players would've struggled with any scheme change.
09-30-2018, 09:48 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

Oh I agree with that but I’m just saying it was crazy talk. Folks were fatigued with Mullen and the leaving every year rumors and it clouded judgement

It's starting to look like that won't be a problem with Moorhead. I never minded those rumors. It's nice to have a coach that's in demand. That means you are winning. Unless you are one of just a handful of places those rumors will be there if you are winning.
09-30-2018, 09:48 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Get 17ed. Mullen is a loser in big games vs tough coaches.

Moorhead is a loser in small games
09-30-2018, 09:49 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I did complain when he played Holloway over Aeris. Aeris missed assignments but when he didn't he at least tried his best to pass block and was way better than Holloway at it. Holloway didn't miss those assignments but, although he tried his best, the rusher would just swat him out of the way. You got the same result as Aeris missing an assignment ... but Aeris could gain yardage up the middle too ... which Holloway couldn't do.

Hill doesn't even try to pass block at all and he can't gain the tough yardage up the middle either.. He skeered of pass blocking tho.

Maybe Mullen didn't play aeris then to make the aeris the player he became.
09-30-2018, 09:51 AM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

If they are so good, why are they ALL still at the job they had last year? They might eventually be good, but no one knocked down their doors and said oh my God younare the missing piece.

So you think the Memphis HC, the Samford HC, the Toledo HC, the Troy HC, and the App State HC were all guaranteed to be better than this?

Holgerson wasn't coming to MSU. If you can't see how awful that list is or can't see how awful it is for you to justify that those guys guaranteed would not be in the same position then I can't help you. Before this moment right now ALL of us would take Joe Moorhead every day of the week over every one of those guys. If you are being objective you take Moorhead over every one of them.

Damn you sound like croom after the Tulane game. We have put up 400 yds in 2 games. I have no idea what those other coaches would have done but bet damn sure they would have put up more than 400 yds of offense. Hell Troy won at LSU and at Nebraska this year. App state damn near beat penn state.
I?m sure your a great guy and I respect you all I?m saying is get your head out of the sand and understand we made a bad hire

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