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09-25-2018, 10:14 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'm not freaking out or panicking. I'm just objectively explaining what I saw Saturday. Teams have bad games, yes. That was an atrocious game. We have to turn it around in a big way in a very short period of time. It's possible, but it has to be done, or else we are.

Objectively. Suuuuurrreeee.....

None of us are objective. We just express our subjectivity in different ways.
09-25-2018, 10:15 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

James franklin helping us out the rest of the year?

James Franklin was on the hot seat before Moorhead showed up.

The better question would've been, "is Trace McSorely helping us this weekend?"
09-25-2018, 10:24 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Luginbill talked about Penn State getting blown out by Michigan early in Moorhead's first year and then going to the Rose Bowl. Moorhead has made these adjustments before quickly.

And that's fair. But a few things:

1) Kentucky ain't Michigan, not on defense.
2) Penn State had the benefit of a Big 10 schedule. Yes, they beat Ohio St. and Wisconsin but they had the benefit of playing no one else, so they had a little more time to put things together.
3) Penn State's talent wasn't as well set up for them to perform well early. They had ranked below 100 in offense in 2015. Moorhead undoubtedly did a great job with them then, but this team was much better set up to play well early on. And not only did we not at all (and really didn't look great before that), but we did the opposite of what we did so well last year.

Moorhead is either at least as stubborn as Mullen, or he just doesn't understand the issues we had Saturday and how to adjust them on the fly. Both are problems.
09-25-2018, 10:25 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Objectively. Suuuuurrreeee.....

None of us are objective. We just express our subjectivity in different ways.

Ok, fine. I'm just explaining what I saw Saturday. Yes, we're all biased. And I'm not sitting here saying we need to fire Moorhead. He certainly gets an opportunity to turn it around. But if we look similarly this week against Florida? Yes, I think he'll eventually be done, it's just a matter of when.
09-25-2018, 10:28 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

James Franklin was on the hot seat before Moorhead showed up.

The better question would've been, "is Trace McSorely helping us this weekend?"

Franklin is severely underrated by state fans. The dude won at freaking vandy. Given the choice of Moorhead or franklin, only a fool would choose Moorhead. Giving Moorhead credit for franklin winning is like saying urban couldn't win without Mullen. Penn state's offense hasn't lost a step SO FAR after losing geseki, Barkley, and Moorhead.
Now I think Moorhead is a really good OC, and hopefully a HC... just saying franklin has won without Moorhead and he'll win without him (not this week though haha)
09-25-2018, 10:32 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

And that's fair. But a few things:

1) Kentucky ain't Michigan, not on defense.
2) Penn State had the benefit of a Big 10 schedule. Yes, they beat Ohio St. and Wisconsin but they had the benefit of playing no one else, so they had a little more time to put things together.
3) Penn State's talent wasn't as well set up for them to perform well early. They had ranked below 100 in offense in 2015. Moorhead undoubtedly did a great job with them then, but this team was much better set up to play well early on. And not only did we not at all (and really didn't look great before that), but we did the opposite of what we did so well last year.

Moorhead is either at least as stubborn as Mullen, or he just doesn't understand the issues we had Saturday and how to adjust them on the fly. Both are problems.

I'm not sure if any of this is true.

Are we sure that Michigan's 2016 defense was actually that much better than Kentucky's? You're making a ton of assumptions
09-25-2018, 10:32 AM
smootness

Moorhead deserves tons of credit for what he did at Penn State, and he deserves credit for what he did at Fordham. I was excited that we hired him based on those things, and they haven't changed. But it also has nothing to do with what he will do here. And through 4 games, it is a major disappointment. The next 8 could be great, we'll see.
09-25-2018, 10:34 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm not sure if any of this is true.

Are we sure that Michigan's 2016 defense was actually that much better than Kentucky's? You're making a ton of assumptions

Michigan had the #1 defense in the country in 2016.
09-25-2018, 10:35 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by smootness

Michigan had the #1 defense in the country in 2016.

How do you know Kentucky's defense isn't better than 2011 bama?
09-25-2018, 10:53 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

FWIW, Luginbill thinks we are fine and figure it out.

He went through Moorhead's past.

It's interesting because he watched the film as an objective observer. He thinks MSU will figure it out.

No offense to Tom Luginbill or you but I heard the same segment and not only did he say he hasnt watched our film yet but I trust myself more than I trust Luginbill's.

It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself everything is ok. This saturday is nut cutting time. Last saturday night was absolutely unacceptable and if it happens again this season is garbage compared to what it should have been given who we are. Moorhead better simplify his offense and stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room and get control of his guys real quick. Because that is why we lost. It wasnt the rain and it wasnt UK. If we played UK with our shit together we win convincingly. It was us. And that lands on the head coach.
09-25-2018, 10:55 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Luginbill talked about Penn State getting blown out by Michigan early in Moorhead's first year and then going to the Rose Bowl. Moorhead has made these adjustments before quickly.

He wasnt the head coach then and that Michigan team aint shit compared to what hes going to see
09-25-2018, 11:13 AM
ShotgunDawg

Pessimists will be pessimistic and optimists will be optimistic. I'm not sure you can convince either group to change sides.

Your choice
09-25-2018, 11:21 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Pessimists will be pessimistic and optimists will be optimistic. I'm not sure you can convince either group to change sides.

Your choice

I was optimistic until that Kentucky game. Now I'm on the fence. If we lose to Florida, I'll turn pessimistic in a big way, and I think I'll be right to do so.
09-25-2018, 11:25 AM
WSOPdawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Good lord, listening to Bo Bounds & the overreaction by him & others is hilarious. There are concerns but sheesh, let's see how the team responds before saying they are going 6-6 or 7-5. Completely ridiculous to write off a team with this much talent this early.

I tuned Bo out a long time ago -- he was next in line after the Clarion Liar. And life has been a lot better without listening to his BS negative-MSU perspective.
09-25-2018, 11:27 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

I was optimistic until that Kentucky game. Now I'm on the fence. If we lose to Florida, I'll turn pessimistic in a big way, and I think I'll be right to do so.

I think this is reasonable. About where I am.
09-25-2018, 11:28 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

I tuned Bo out a long time ago -- he was next in line after the Clarion Liar. And life has been a lot better without listening to his BS negative-MSU perspective.

Good for you. I like his show but think sometimes he has really stupid opinions
09-25-2018, 11:32 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm not sure if any of this is true.

Are we sure that Michigan's 2016 defense was actually that much better than Kentucky's? You're making a ton of assumptions

Tied exactly with Bama for #1 in Total D nationally.
09-25-2018, 11:34 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Tied exactly with Bama for #1 in Total D nationally.

So you're saying they were as good as Bama?
09-25-2018, 11:37 AM
Fred Garvin

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Franklin is severely underrated by state fans. The dude won at freaking vandy. Given the choice of Moorhead or franklin, only a fool would choose Moorhead. Giving Moorhead credit for franklin winning is like saying urban couldn't win without Mullen. Penn state's offense hasn't lost a step SO FAR after losing geseki, Barkley, and Moorhead.
Now I think Moorhead is a really good OC, and hopefully a HC... just saying franklin has won without Moorhead and he'll win without him (not this week though haha)

Talk to Penn State fans and they'll tell you Franklin was on the hot seat before Moorhead showed up.
09-25-2018, 11:40 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

I was optimistic until that Kentucky game. Now I'm on the fence. If we lose to Florida, I'll turn pessimistic in a big way, and I think I'll be right to do so.

To me it depends more on how Moorhead acts/coaches in the Florida game that will determine if I start to lose some faith or not more so than the final score.

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