Alright, time for the fanbase to rebound

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rain predicted Saturday morning and Sunday AM. If rain is an auto loss, hope it stays clear. Personally, I think our problems Sunday were a little deeper than precitation

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Rain on the road is an auto loss with this QB. Rain at home I think we can over come. We do have a lot of other problems though too.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We played extremely poorly in the rain. We had 201 yards of offense. Kentucky only had 300 yards of offense. It was a very ugly game. We had almost as many penalty yards as we did offense. It was just a total shit show in the rain for us. I keep mentioning the rain for a reason. It melted us. WR's couldn't catch, QB couldn't throw, RB's couldn't run, OL couldn't block and our damn coaches couldn't get a play called in less than 25 seconds.

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The rain had nothing to do with the poor coaching or OL blocking. Nothing. KY hasn't had a passing game all year.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The rain had nothing to do with the poor coaching or OL blocking. Nothing. KY hasn't had a passing game all year.

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It did though. We melted into nothing resembling a football team while standing in rain for 4 hours.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You two are melting really hard. It was 14-7 with 8 minutes to go vs what may end up being dubbed Kentucky's best team in the last 50 years. It was also raining for the entire game and on the road. Our QB played like crap again on the road and our soph LT had the worst game of his career with just about everyone else on the OL not much better than him.

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This should have been our best team in the last 50 years, too.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Rain on the road is an auto loss with this QB.

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Then our coaches suck.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

It did though. We melted into nothing resembling a football team while standing in rain for 4 hours.

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Then our coaches suck.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We played extremely poorly in the rain. We had 201 yards of offense. Kentucky only had 300 yards of offense. It was a very ugly game. We had almost as many penalty yards as we did offense. It was just a total shit show in the rain for us. I keep mentioning the rain for a reason. It melted us. WR's couldn't catch, QB couldn't throw, RB's couldn't run, OL couldn't block and our damn coaches couldn't get a play called in less than 25 seconds.

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Crazy to think that UK in the exact same rain we did. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by smootness

Then our coaches suck.

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I don't think our coaches suck I think they got thrown into the deep end on the road in the rain in their very first SEC game and didn't handle it well. It's how they react to getting their asses handed to them that determines if they suck or not not the initial ass kicking. Everyone has adversity and setbacks in life it's how you deal with it that determines you.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Crazy to think that UK in the exact same rain we did. What's your point?

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Stoops is in year 6 as a SEC head coach. He's had many an ass beating. He's molded his team and himself into a much better program than when he found it do in large part to those ass beatings. Moorhead just got his first one. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just cause we are butthurt from our first setback with a brand new coach.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't think our coaches suck I think they got thrown into the deep end on the road in the rain in their very first SEC game and didn't handle it well. It's how they react to getting their asses handed to them that determines if they suck or not not the initial ass kicking. Everyone has adversity and setbacks in life it's how you deal with it that determines you.

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That's fair.

But you said that playing on the road in the rain is an auto-loss with Fitzgerald. And if that's the case, then yes, our coaches suck.

I've never before seen a team or a fanbase say, 'Ahhh, it RAINED! What could we do?!' Rain happens. Weather happens. Good teams deal with it. Kentucky did.

Florida rebounded after a bad loss to OM when Tebow was there and went on to win the rest. While we have a LONG way to go it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm not giving up on original dreams unless we lose to UF too. We still control our own destiny, but the margin of error is now 0.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

It did though. We melted into nothing resembling a football team while standing in rain for 4 hours.

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No, we sucked. In every possible way we could suck, for the most part. Rain is a damn excuse. Ky played in it just like we did. It was a turf field, so footing wasn't an issue. We played on wet turf at Kstate. This team was completely unprepared and so were the coaches, but it wasn't because of the rain.

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

Florida rebounded after a bad loss to OM when Tebow was there and went on to win the rest. While we have a LONG way to go it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm not giving up on original dreams unless we lose to UF too. We still control our own destiny, but the margin of error is now 0.

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I agree with you on looking to the Florida game this week to see how we rebound.

But in that 2008 game, Florida lost by 1 in a game in which they scored 30, put up 450 yards of offense, had 5 penalties, but lost 3 fumbles. It was sort of a fluky loss, they outplayed Ole Miss.

We got our butts kicked by a less talented team.

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

Florida rebounded after a bad loss to OM when Tebow was there and went on to win the rest. While we have a LONG way to go it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm not giving up on original dreams unless we lose to UF too. We still control our own destiny, but the margin of error is now 0.

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I think dreams of the west are out. My goal, although it's probably unrealistic at this point, is NY6 bowl.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

At no point in time have I ever thought we could compete with Bama or Georgia this year. Nobody can. Except Bama and Georgia. We need Saban to retire as does the entire rest of college football before Alabama can maybe start coming back to the rest of the pack some. That's just reality dude. Saban has built a monster dynasty and he keeps improving them at a faster rate than we can improve ourselves. Kentucky is also an improved program. It's taken Stoops 6 years but he's gotten it done. Kudos to them for sticking with him and to Stoops for building Kentucky into a formidable SEC East program. They have a realistic chance to go 11-1 this year. That ass whooping we just took needs to permanently change the way you think of Kentucky football under Stoops moving forward.

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If you want to make excuses for Moorhead then fine but UK is not very good and were behind us in every conceivable way going into the game but now they are a good team. It doesnt work like that. It doesnt happen overnight. UGA is going to kill them.

My expectations are not to be ok, and neither were everybody elses including most importantly Moorhead's and the teams coming in. Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. The only reason they will finish with a good record is bc they are in the East.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Stoops is in year 6 as a SEC head coach. He's had many an ass beating. He's molded his team and himself into a much better program than when he found it do in large part to those ass beatings. Moorhead just got his first one. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just cause we are butthurt from our first setback with a brand new coach.

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What are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with the excuse that you keep using about playing in rain as if it was an unbalanced playing field due to weather.

Where did I say throw in the towel or get rid of the whole coaching staff or even one person on the staff? Or even blame some one in particular? I haven't posted one freak out post about our team because of this weekend. If anything, quite the opposite. I'm still all good with our coaching staff and think the major overreaction and ref / rain excuses make our fanbase look like sore losers that can't do anything but point a finger at some weak made up reason.

Take this weekend for what it was and move on. We got our asses whooped because we weren't mentally there and didn't make adjustments as needed to help ourselves out. It happens to the best of them and certainly isn't anything new to MSU.

If some of our players do in fact have the attitude of some that are crying the sky is falling after this weekend then this is going to be a long embarrassing season. Grow some and pick yourself up with your head up. We got beat. God knows I hope the players are nothing like a very large chunk of our fans that are on this site.

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Originally Posted by smootness

That's fair.

But you said that playing on the road in the rain is an auto-loss with Fitzgerald. And if that's the case, then yes, our coaches suck.

I've never before seen a team or a fanbase say, 'Ahhh, it RAINED! What could we do?!' Rain happens. Weather happens. Good teams deal with it. Kentucky did.

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Where would you rank Fitzgerald as far as greatest all-time SEC QBs? He is about to hold the SEC rushing record but would you even put him in the top 50 or top 100 greatest SEC QBs ever? Name me one person on the planet that could magically turn Fitz into a top passing QB in the country in only 4 months since he just recovered from a broken ankle. I am trying really hard not to pile on Fitz here but you're making it very difficult. He was bad vs UK and it wasn't just his passing or lack of running. It was mainly how slowly he was managing the game and how poorly he was reading the defense and making decisions on the play to run based off of those reads.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If you want to make excuses for Moorhead then fine but UK is not very good and were behind us in every conceivable way going into the game but now they are a good team. It doesnt work like that. It doesnt happen overnight. UGA is going to kill them.

My expectations are not to be ok, and neither were everybody elses including most importantly Moorhead's and the teams coming in. Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. The only reason they will finish with a good record is bc they are in the East.

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Keep saying that until you believe it maybe. It happened despite of your opinion you keep trying to sell as a fact and it's a big L on our season. Maybe you can reference last years score and act like it actually means something now. Or cite how many starters were on a team that beat them last year. Or maybe how we've owned them in the last 50 years. Who cares, quit pointing to the past and look ahead.

I'm not giving up on JoMo or this team. We knew we would eventually face some adversity but I never thought it would be game 4 against Kentucky. Granted I was dead wrong about Kentucky and they are better than I thought. But a one dimensional Kentucky team (6 years under Stoops or not) should not be able utterly dismantle and embarrass a team with this much talent. 16 penalties, minimal adjustments on offense and defense, passing almost every first down in the rain with a QB who is really only effective passing when its opened up with the run, letting Kentucky players live rent free in our head all night, no emotion from JoMo when 4-5 atrocious penalties were called, ect. There were a laundry list of red flags in that game that can be corrected but are very concerning. I know its first year coach this, first year offense that, but this is a veteran team that looked like JSU last weekend. Jury is still out but I pray it was in fact a fluke night. There is no excuse to be that bad with the team we have this year

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

What are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with the excuse that you keep using about playing in rain as if it was an unbalanced playing field due to weather.

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Kentucky would look like total shit too if their bad passing QB attempted 32 passes in 4 hours of rain. There's didn't. Ours did. The rain melted our offense into nothing functional whatsoever.