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08-21-2018, 01:04 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by basedog

It's not that bad, his problem is he hasn't been a QB all that long and actually Dan may develop QB's but I wonder how much he really knows about mechanics. Joe knows as he played the position and I bet fundamentally Fitz is much improved because of a real QB Coach.

If one has never played QB it's pretty easy to say what's wrong, not saying you don't know but it's a position that takes time to really understand know what is going on. Many QB's who are big and strong can throw off there back foot, many get in trouble also.

I think Brian Johnson was a very good QB coach - and if he had stayed we could have seen more advancement from Fitz last year.
08-21-2018, 01:09 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

You mean things like "Chicks dig the check down "??

I'm sure that was the first to go.
08-21-2018, 01:19 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think Brian Johnson was a very good QB coach - and if he had stayed we could have seen more advancement from Fitz last year.

Probably, QB coaches are very important.
08-21-2018, 01:19 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by basedog

It's not that bad, his problem is he hasn't been a QB all that long and actually Dan may develop QB's but I wonder how much he really knows about mechanics. Joe knows as he played the position and I bet fundamentally Fitz is much improved because of a real QB Coach.

If one has never played QB it's pretty easy to say what's wrong, not saying you don't know but it's a position that takes time to really understand know what is going on. Many QB's who are big and strong can throw off there back foot, many get in trouble also.

I've started to wonder lately if Dan isn't so much a great developer of QB's in general as he is a great developer of QB's within his system. The only QB he took from truly raw to an elite level as a passer is Dak, and you have to wonder how much of that was him and how much was Dak's inhuman work ethic.
08-21-2018, 01:35 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by thf24

I've started to wonder lately if Dan isn't so much a great developer of QB's in general as he is a great developer of QB's within his system. The only QB he took from truly raw to an elite level as a passer is Dak, and you have to wonder how much of that was him and how much was Dak's inhuman work ethic.

I think Dak and Fitz have shown the work ethic. But, on the development side how much was Dan and how much was Brian Johnson? Johnson was here 2014-2016 which corresponded with Dak's big leap - and Fitz's leap enough to separate himself from Staley and Tiano and eventually pass Williams. A guy who had thrown about 100 passes in competitive HS game situations work himself ahead of 3 other more experienced players.

I think the Dan as a magic QB man is something of a myth. He was blessed with 4 quys (Johnson, Tebow, Dak, Fitz) who fit what he wanted in his offense. But if he was so great, how did Tyler Russell - a Parade All-American in HS - not become a top shelf college QB? He was far more accomplished coming in as a QB than Dak or Fitz - and I don't think he didn't have the work ethic. But, it was obvious to anyone watching Dan had no clue how to use him.
08-21-2018, 01:39 PM
Ezsoil

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree to disagree. Fritz's tool set is tremendous and QBs are always overdrafted.

Case in point....in this year's draft, Josh Allen had the measurables but not the polish the others had ...but as we are seeing in the preseason, Allen is out performing all of the other 4 first round picks.... Fitz is an inch taller, 10 pounds heavier, faster and has just as strong of an arm...he will get drafted on measurables alone...but a good season and especially a win at Alabama and he will be a very high draft pick.
08-21-2018, 02:15 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by thf24

I've started to wonder lately if Dan isn't so much a great developer of QB's in general as he is a great developer of QB's within his system. The only QB he took from truly raw to an elite level as a passer is Dak, and you have to wonder how much of that was him and how much was Dak's inhuman work ethic.

Dan was blessed and has been blessed with great or very good athletic QB's. He does a great job of getting them to understand his offense and they don't turn the ball over much in his offenses in general. QB's need lots of attention with mechanics, again training is essential in developing in passing techniques.

Fitz has the tolls to become a really good passer, he is pretty good now and he has some help on the outside I think and we should see a much better passing % from him as well as our other young QB.

Joe is a QB guy, I hope and I think we will see some really good things in QB play. Btw, having an experience offensive line is a huge plus!
08-22-2018, 12:14 AM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by tireddawg

I don't look for Fitz to jump that much. If I had to guess I would say 62-65%, which is very respectable. If he does push 70%, I'd love that, but don't think he would be a top 5 pick. 1st round maybe. If we don't compete for the West, it won't be because of Fitz, IMO.

65 % is more than respectable.. it's great. If Fitz throws 65 percent we will win the SEC. My goal is 60 percent. If he does that I don't see us losing more than once.
08-22-2018, 12:47 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by basedog

Dan was blessed and has been blessed with great or very good athletic QB's. He does a great job of getting them to understand his offense and they don't turn the ball over much in his offenses in general. QB's need lots of attention with mechanics, again training is essential in developing in passing techniques.

Fitz has the tolls to become a really good passer, he is pretty good now and he has some help on the outside I think and we should see a much better passing % from him as well as our other young QB.

Joe is a QB guy, I hope and I think we will see some really good things in QB play. Btw, having an experience offensive line is a huge plus!

As far as being a NFL prospect I think Nick's skill set is absolutely off the charts. All he has to do now is show polish and I think he will make a huge jump for us.
08-22-2018, 12:50 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

65 % is more than respectable.. it's great. If Fitz throws 65 percent we will win the SEC. My goal is 60 percent. If he does that I don't see us losing more than once.

I think 65% is doable in a West Coast Passing system because of the higher percentage of short and intermediate throws. We're going to use our backs and TE's more as receivers than Dan did last year. That's more options to throw to. Think about the 2016 Egg Bowl when Nick hit Ross on a mesh route on 4th down and we converted and got a TD out of it. That's a lot more of the types of things that we are going to see.

Also, I would think the over reliance of QB runs probably affected Nick somewhat as well in the passing game too.
08-22-2018, 08:05 AM
Ifyouonlyknew

I expect Fitz to completion % to be around 58-62%. That will be plenty good enough with the big plays we'll get in this offense. Check McSorley stat line in 2016 & then add Fitz is a better runner. Fitz will have a great year.
08-22-2018, 08:33 AM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

As far as being a NFL prospect I think Nick's skill set is absolutely off the charts. All he has to do now is show polish and I think he will make a huge jump for us.

I agree, not sure how high or low in will go in draft but I think he has a high ceiling. One thing that will make him better this year is he has some experience up front and we are loaded at running back position.
08-22-2018, 08:51 AM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I expect Fitz to completion % to be around 58-62%. That will be plenty good enough with the big plays we'll get in this offense. Check McSorley stat line in 2016 & then add Fitz is a better runner. Fitz will have a great year.

Exactly
08-22-2018, 12:22 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

From what I've been told by grapevine types JoMo and Breiner told Fitz to forget a few things Dan had taught him.

"Chicks dig checkdowns"
08-22-2018, 04:24 PM
BB30

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Originally Posted by Walkerhill

I would not be surprised at all by a 10+ percent jump on completions.

The old offense was designed to run first. It was not designed to enable precise timing-based passing windows. The new offense is designed to do that. That being said, the running game was very well designed which enabled bigger passing windows. I felt we did not even fully take advantage of those, especially vertically. We sometimes got 8-9 defenders into the box and then ran or passed right into them.

As quickly as Dak adjusted to the NFL it is hard to deny he was under-utilized in the passing game at the college level. Kind of scary to think Mullen?s offense may have even more upside if he could figure out how to expand the passing game. The jury is out on whether he ever achieves that - he may be too risk averse.

The new offense is converse in a way, the vertical passing game will need to work to open up the run and short passing.

All we did in 15 was try and throw the football. If anything our run game was our Achilles heel that season due to poor RB play against quality teams. You could see a clear jump from Dak's jr year to his sr. year as far as his passing was concerned. He made huge strides going into 15.

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