Are we ever going to have a good golf program??

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Originally Posted by Daddy Rabbit Dawg

The PGM program is just a type of business degree and has zero impact on playing college competitive golf. I'd say the last PGM degree kids that played on the golf team were 20 years ago and they were walk-ons that were never recruited. Speaking to Hayden Buckley. Hayden was not an accomplished junior golfer and the reason took a chance on him was because the head pro at Tupelo CC played for the current Missouri coach at Austin Peay and convinced him to take a shot. What no one, except those of us that know him personally, didn't know was that Hayden is a gifted athlete and student that takes pride in out working everyone else.

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I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack shit about the PGM program or even golf for that matter. However, it just seems like common sense to me that there is overlap in their fields that inevitably cross paths. If we have a bunch of aspiring future Club leaders our team golf courses should be some of the best damn kept courses around. They should be working with the golf team and coaches to see what needs to be worked on and improved at all times. Creating relationships that could pay dividends later in their careers. Many of those players may be looking for a club to join one day.

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

Most of the top golfers that move the needle on a program never intend to use a degree probably.

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Agreed, so wouldn't you at least declare a "golf" type major. It's basically a marketing degree where you have to play a lot of golf! Seems like that'd attract a lot of guys not really looking at architecture, accounting, engineering, etc... but are good at golf. A vast majority of ppl don't even know such a degree exists, maybe we should promote it more?

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack shit about the PGM program or even golf for that matter. However, it just seems like common sense to me that there is overlap in their fields that inevitably cross paths. If we have a bunch of aspiring future Club leaders our team golf courses should be some of the best damn kept courses around. They should be working with the golf team and coaches to see what needs to be worked on and improved at all times. Creating relationships that could pay dividends later in their careers. Many of those players may be looking for a club to join one day.

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It basically means you're getting a degree to be a club pro and run a clubhouse.

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack shit about the PGM program or even golf for that matter. However, it just seems like common sense to me that there is overlap in their fields that inevitably cross paths. If we have a bunch of aspiring future Club leaders our team golf courses should be some of the best damn kept courses around. They should be working with the golf team and coaches to see what needs to be worked on and improved at all times. Creating relationships that could pay dividends later in their careers. Many of those players may be looking for a club to join one day.

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That seems to make sense to someone who doesn't understand the golf biz, but it's just not that way. The world of the PGA tour where a lot of these college guys are trying to get to and the world of the club pro are worlds apart. There is not much overlap.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

That seems to make sense to someone who doesn't understand the golf biz, but it's just not that way. The world of the PGA tour where a lot of these college guys are trying to get to and the world of the club pro are worlds apart. There is not much overlap.

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We are both in the golf business but I will humbly disagree. Sure they are worlds apart as far as money, fame, even desire... but you have to be pretty good at golf (or at least years ago this was true) to get this degree. So IF you are good at golf, have aspirations of making the tour, but wanted to go to college first... why wouldn't you pursue a PGM degree and have the club pro / GM option to fall back on?

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

I'll be the first to admit I don't know jack shit about the PGM program or even golf for that matter. However, it just seems like common sense to me that there is overlap in their fields that inevitably cross paths. If we have a bunch of aspiring future Club leaders our team golf courses should be some of the best damn kept courses around. They should be working with the golf team and coaches to see what needs to be worked on and improved at all times. Creating relationships that could pay dividends later in their careers. Many of those players may be looking for a club to join one day.

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You're confusing TGM and PGM here but MSU does have both programs. TGM or turf grass management is the course superintendent. He is in charge of keeping the golf course in great shape. The PGM major is the club pro in charge of everything in the club house and giving lessons to members. Both programs are nationally recognized so when it comes time for the students to do their 8 semesters of internships big time golf courses from all over the country come to do interviews and offer the students the internships. These courses are all over the country from California to New York and everywhere in between. They covet offering these internships because it fills a long term need for them in a couple years every year. Sure there's always a couple PGM and TGM majors that decide to work for the MSU course or Old Waverly but they don't offer but a couple positions every year and most of the students prefer to go work at the US Open type courses or a top 100 course close to where they grew up at.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

We are both in the golf business but I will humbly disagree. Sure they are worlds apart as far as money, fame, even desire... but you have to be pretty good at golf (or at least years ago this was true) to get this degree. So IF you are good at golf, have aspirations of making the tour, but wanted to go to college first... why wouldn't you pursue a PGM degree and have the club pro / GM option to fall back on?

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I already told you. There's an 8 semester internship requirement that puts a big hurdle in the way. The golf coach probably doesn't want to deal with that and the PGM program doesn't want to have to grant special circumstances to just that student.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I already told you. There's an 8 semester internship requirement that puts a big hurdle in the way. The golf coach probably doesn't want to deal with that and the PGM program doesn't want to have to grant special circumstances to just that student.

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You already told me?? Oh, okay... well that and $5.00 will get me a cup of 17'n java in the morning.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I already told you. There's an 8 semester internship requirement that puts a big hurdle in the way. The golf coach probably doesn't want to deal with that and the PGM program doesn't want to have to grant special circumstances to just that student.

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Not sure where you?re getting 8 semesters but the Standard for PGM majors is doing an internship after each year of undergrad at a course during the summer + one internship during a full semester to fulfill graduation requirements. But your point is correct ? that no college golfer has the time to compete and get a PGM degree. And many don?t have the desire to get that degree.

Also, as mentioned earlier, there is a massive gap in a player who shoots 75 every day and a player who shoots 70. So yes, being pretty good and shooting 75 will get you a pgm degree. And 95% of the golfers in the world would give up their first born to shoot 75. However, shooting 75 in the SEC and major college golf won't even make the caddie squad....