Investigation

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Originally Posted by SnakePlissken

I thought there was suppose to be a follow-up article to the one that either Yahoo or CBS put out a couple of months ago? It was the one that revealed Chris Jones and CJ were being interviewed by the NCAA. In fact, I thought Paul Jones knew of more articles coming but everyone has now clammed up and there's been no further mention of follow-up articles. Anyone got any insight?

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You really think CBS or ESPN is going to publicize this? Those will be the last two outlets to pick up the story.

Paul probably got wind of things since 247 and CBS have an affiliation now, but there's no way in hell this would ever make it through the CBS executive committee to be published. They thrive on their sec relationships and Archie is their golden boy. I'm pretty sure they don't want to do anything that would sour their relationship with the best QB in the nfl either... and pissing off daddy would do exactly that. People don't realize Archie is the head of the national football foundation. He's essentially the godfather of the college football world.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Because we don't even KNOW they are being investigated!
But for you and Engie to act like we KNOW all of this shit, is pure horseshit at this point.

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ss-recruitment

A) Jeremy Fowler is not a message board poster or blog writer.
B) The NCAA doesnt just randomly question people.
C) There is alot more going on that has yet to be reported- we were just lucky enough somebody leaked Jones being questioned to Fowler.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...iting/2649445/

The NCAA, for its part, does not comment on "current, pending or potential investigations," spokesperson Emily Potter wrote in an email.



This is not an investigation by reporters that gets reported- and everybody finds out about it. This is the NCAA doing their investigation- and they arent leaking anything.

Redmond's ordeal came about because our own fansights trying to blow the cover off this thing and make it news. They were trying to bury 247 sports. You wont see any OM fansites doing that to their school because if they did, they would never get paid another dime by their fans.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ss-recruitment

A) Jeremy Fowler is not a message board poster or blog writer.
B) The NCAA doesnt just randomly question people.
C) There is alot more going on that has yet to be reported- we were just lucky enough somebody leaked Jones being questioned to Fowler.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...iting/2649445/

The NCAA, for its part, does not comment on "current, pending or potential investigations," spokesperson Emily Potter wrote in an email.



This is not an investigation by reporters that gets reported- and everybody finds out about it. This is the NCAA doing their investigation- and they arent leaking anything.

Redmond's ordeal came about because our own fansights trying to blow the cover off this thing and make it news. They were trying to bury 247 sports. You wont see any OM fansites doing that to their school because if they did, they would never get paid another dime by their fans.

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So....you link an article about the same single thing, and nothing else has been said about it OR any investigation. That's it? Is that what we are supposed to be up in arms about and popping popcorn for? I'm sorry, but as much as I want to see them burn, I have not seen NEARLY enough proof to back all of these message board claims that they are under investigation, interviewed 40+ people, got a letter from NCAA, etc...

If this is what all of yours, Engie's, Hack's, etcs, posts are about....then I am even more skeptical now than I was before.

I was hoping you had actual proof that they were being "INVESTIGATED". Not saying they won't go down, because I hope they do, but these articles are old news that has little proof of a large scale investigation. But maybe that's just me.

The reason I question you guys is because there are a lot of people on this board like myself, that don't know where all of your excitement and KNOWLEDGE of anything comes from. So you guys tell us to get popcorn ready and that everything's going down, but we have nothing but your words to back that up, so it leaves us wondering. I'm just trying to help those like me that aren't "in the know" out. And unfortunately those two articles don't make "us" feel much more confident about these claims of a major investigation. Just sayin

Cadaver, don't hold your breath man. They have nothing but rumors and hope. That's it. Maybe something will come of it, and if it does, they will be heard near and far screaming about they told you it was coming. And when nothing happens? They will come up with some new rumor as to why it all went away. We've seen this show before. About a dozen times.

Some specifics from the articles provided:

"The specific nature of the interview is unknown." - Jeremy Fowler

"Jones' mother, Mary Woodhouse, said she did not know about an NCAA interview and she never noticed anything suspicious regarding Ole Miss' recruitment of Jones. She called the family's visit to Oxford ?very nice. They were nice to us,? and discussed Ole Miss' commitment to academics. --- daming stuff right there

"we cannot comment on current, pending or potential cases." --- I think some folks need to get out their dictionary and look up the definition of the word "potential".

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

Cadaver, don't hold your breath man. They have nothing but rumors and hope. That's it. Maybe something will come of it, and if it does, they will be heard near and far screaming about they told you it was coming. And when nothing happens? They will come up with some new rumor as to why it all went away. We've seen this show before. About a dozen times.

Some specifics from the articles provided:

"The specific nature of the interview is unknown." - Jeremy Fowler

"Jones' mother, Mary Woodhouse, said she did not know about an NCAA interview and she never noticed anything suspicious regarding Ole Miss' recruitment of Jones. She called the family's visit to Oxford ?very nice. They were nice to us,? and discussed Ole Miss' commitment to academics. --- daming stuff right there

"we cannot comment on current, pending or potential cases." --- I think some folks need to get out their dictionary and look up the definition of the word "potential".

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And that's just it. I want to believe these guys KNOW something. But I don't like when somebody lumps me in and says "We KNOW that blah blah blah...", when I don't KNOW anything about it. So WE don't know shit. I hope THEY know something, which is what I'm asking them to show us. Unfortunately, I'm worried that the articles of nothing that Coach just linked is all we've got. And that sucks, because I want to believe some fireworks are forthcoming.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I was hoping you had actual proof that they were being "INVESTIGATED". Not saying they won't go down, because I hope they do, but these articles are old news that has little proof of a large scale investigation. But maybe that's just me.

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There cant be any more proof than people confirming that CJ Johnson and Chris Jones have been interviewed by the NCAA. That is the very definition of investigation. Not sure what you arent understanding about that. Has there been anymore confirmation in the media about others? No there hasnt.

But like with any investigation, as time goes by, more and more leaks out. There were leaks of other people being interviewed. Now there are leaks of a letter. It's just a matter of time. But it's on their time- not ours. The Redmond ordeal took over a year to play out- and it was pretty simple. No need to get antzy on all this- it's going to take awhile.

It takes the NCAA awhile to rule on things like this. Remember how long it took them to rule on Redmond? I think it was like 8-9 months. Paaaaawwwwlllll.....when are we gonna know something on Redmond? Was a pretty common question on 247 sports at the time.

An interview does not = investigation. Not by any definition. Certainly interviews are part of an investigation. But one story talking about one player being interviewed does not indicate a larger investigation. What if the interview was to find out if there is anything to investigate? And what if the answer to that was "no"?

Coach you may know all of this for fact. And I hope you are right, I really, really do. But the reality is if you really didn't know shit and were just hoping and wanting to act like you are in the know, you would say the exact same things.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

There cant be any more proof than people confirming that CJ Johnson and Chris Jones have been interviewed by the NCAA. That is the very definition of investigation. Not sure what you arent understanding about that. Has there been anymore confirmation in the media about others? No there hasnt.

But like with any investigation, as time goes by, more and more leaks out. There were leaks of other people being interviewed. Now there are leaks of a letter. It's just a matter of time. But it's on their time- not ours. The Redmond ordeal took over a year to play out- and it was pretty simple. No need to get antzy on all this- it's going to take awhile.

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So you're telling me that you are basing everything you have been building up to our message board fan base off of those two articles? Holy shit, you don't think that is a little misleading?

I was hoping you guys had some actual information to share. If you're basing this "Rebears are going down" talk on those articles that basically say nothing....then I am thinking nothing comes of it. Now, if more leaks out, then great. But basically you are telling me that we have confirmation of 1 guy being interviewed, and he plays for STATE!, yet we are all supposed to be anticipating some big ole miss sanctions, and thinking that 40+ people have been interviewed, and 12 schools have turned ole miss in,etc...all based on those two articles?? Please tell me that the 40+ people, the letter, the schools that turned them in, has some type of proof, and that you all aren't just saying what you THINK is going to leak out in the next several months.

Geez. I'm glad I'm not literally popping popcorn, because this is sounding less practical by the minute.

I think our negative fans are why I hate Ole Miss as bad as I do. We have too many fans that keep saying how great Ole Miss is and how we are falling behind them. For the most part, our fans are great nice people but on the message boards we can be some of the worst.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It takes the NCAA awhile to rule on things like this. Remember how long it took them to rule on Redmond? I think it was like 8-9 months. Paaaaawwwwlllll.....when are we gonna know something on Redmond? Was a pretty common question on 247 sports at the time.

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I agree, but at least the NCAA admitted they were investigating. These articles are not proof that there is still an investigation ongoing, or that there ever was. It's just an interview. From what Coach is saying, they could have interview CJ and then gone to the house, and here we all are thinking somebody KNOWS that OM is still under "investigation". It just sounds like a lot of shit that could get our fan base expecting something and then nothing coming of it IMO. So I am trying to prepare myself and others that thought there was actual proof or actual KNOWLEDGE...because it seems there isn't.

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Originally Posted by Belegal

Did the school up north get a letter from the NCAA? Or not?

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I have it on good authority that they did, and they hired an outside law firm to keep it under wraps as long as possible. Typical bear tactic. Bracky should take notes.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

I think our negative fans are why I hate Ole Miss as bad as I do. We have too many fans that keep saying how great Ole Miss is and how we are falling behind them. For the most part, our fans are great nice people but on the message boards we can be some of the worst.

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Not that I disagree with a lot of what you say, just not sure how it belongs in this thread.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So you're telling me that you are basing everything you have been building up to our message board fan base off of those two articles? Holy shit, you don't think that is a little misleading?

I was hoping you guys had some actual information to share. If you're basing this "Rebears are going down" talk on those articles that basically say nothing....then I am thinking nothing comes of it. Now, if more leaks out, then great. But basically you are telling me that we have confirmation of 1 guy being interviewed, and he plays for STATE!, yet we are all supposed to be anticipating some big ole miss sanctions! and thinking that 40+ people have been interviewed, and 12 schools have turned ole miss in,etc...all based on those two articles?? Please tell me that the 40+ people, the letter, the schools that turned them in, has some type of proof, and that you all aren't just saying what you THINK is going to leak out in the next several months.

Geez. I'm glad I'm not literally popping popcorn, because this is sounding less practical by the minute.

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Good lord. You need to take a break from this board. So just because YOU don't hear anything, and Engie, Hack etc, aren't telling you what they are hearing and who they are hearing it from, you think it's BS?

From now on, everyone just tell Cadaver all the info/rumors you guys are hearing so he doesn't have another meltdown.

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Originally Posted by dawgindothan

I have it on good authority that they did, and they hired an outside law firm to keep it under wraps as long as possible. Typical bear tactic. Bracky should take notes.

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Now see, this is what I like to hear. If a letter is sent, I will feel a lot better about all of this talk. Until then, sounds like it is ONLY talk.

The sad reality is that only one school I know of that every single rumor turns out to be true is MSU.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Now see, this is what I like to hear. If a letter is sent, I will feel a lot better about all of this talk. Until then, sounds like it is ONLY talk.

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THAT is what you like to hear? Its the same shit everyone else has been saying.

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Originally Posted by C222

Good lord. You need to take a break from this board. So just because YOU don't hear anything, and Engie, Hack etc, aren't telling you what they are hearing and who they are hearing it from, you think it's BS?

From now on, everyone just tell Cadaver all the info/rumors you guys are hearing so he doesn't have another meltdown.

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No, you moron, that's not what I'm saying. They keep saying "WE KNOW" stuff, as in "the message board", "the fan base", etc...when the truth is...WE DONT. None of us. Hell, coach just admitted it.

I don't care if they tell me a damn thing. I'm just saying don't expect everyone to take it as gospel and start popping popcorn unless something more than a message from a message board is released. That's all.

Like I said, I hope it's true, but it makes me skeptical when the ones saying "get ready" are claiming they know nothing more than the same shit everyone read in those articles months ago.

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Originally Posted by C222

Good lord. You need to take a break from this board. So just because YOU don't hear anything, and Engie, Hack etc, aren't telling you what they are hearing and who they are hearing it from, you think it's BS?

From now on, everyone just tell Cadaver all the info/rumors you guys are hearing so he doesn't have another meltdown.

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And another thing....don't tell me to take a break for anything. And also, what are you talking about "meltdown"?'im just discussing this topic on the board. So either add someone of value or STFU.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No, you moron, that's not what I'm saying. They keep saying "WE KNOW" stuff, as in "the message board", "the fan base", etc...when the truth is...WE DONT. None of us. Hell, coach just admitted it.

I don't care if they tell me a damn thing. I'm just saying don't expect everyone to take it as gospel and start popping popcorn unless something more than a message from a message board is released. That's all.

Like I said, I hope it's true, but it makes me skeptical when the ones saying "get ready" are claiming they know nothing more than the same shit everyone read in those articles months ago.

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So basically, no one is allowed to post a rumor unless they show everyone proof? Got it.