Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit
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Bartoo lives and dies by his matrix. If he says we win 8, he’s saying his matrix is shit.....guess what? His matrix is shit
http://i.imgur.com/45WW0wy.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Well stated. Couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Another thing: We are about to find out how good Mullen really was.
Was MSU's success above recruiting rankings due to Mullen or Mississippi high school players not being properly rated?
If Mississippi HS kids were properly rated by the recruiting services, what would the matrix say then?
Again, remember, Sweat & Fitzgerald were 3 star recruits.
This guy, and that gif.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
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Who is Morehead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I'll say this... if we win only 7 games then Moorhead better be sent packing. I think we go 10-2 at worse. I'm calling 11-1.
We are about to find out how good Mullen is. If you look at the teams by recruiting alone, it's probably conceivable that you could pick us to win 7 games. Are the recruiting rankings that far off, is Mullen that good of developer, or is Mullen that good of a coach. One of those is true. Everyone just assumes Mullen isn't a good coach and we have amazing talent and that Morhead will just come in and dominate. This could very well be the case, but it we won't really know until this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I will bet anyone 25k we win more than 7 games. The only way we win only 7 is if Fitz and keys both break their ankles in the 1st game.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
Mullen's success at MSU was labeled as "Mullen wins at in-spite of MSU"
If Moorhead wins at MSU, it should be labeled as "Moorhead wins & MSU is a good job"
Rep Given!Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Mullen is an above average coach who is very good at evaluating talent and developing talent. Mullen took advantage of MS players not being properly ranked, but I think also had disdain for the recruiting process and baggage that comes with 5* divas based on his UF experience. That translated to us missing on high 4 and 5 star players and never fully realizing our potential because we were always a player like AJ Brown (or a player like Josh Robinson riding the pine) away. You can get away with that in MS at a program like MSU. He will not be able to follow that same philosophy at UF. It will be interesting watching that progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Where JoeMo seems to be so far - a very good coach (who may be great) who is very good at evaluating talent and developing talent (or else Fordham doesn't win and PSU doesn't advance), who is not afraid of what 4 & 5* recruiting brings with it and expects his coaches to be able to handle it or ship a kid out (see Bryant as an example). It will also be interesting to watch this develop.
He doesn't say we win 8. He says winning 8 would be overachieving. That's some high level horse shit. I know Bo Bounds reads this board and I wish he would come on here and make a bet and set the terms regarding state winning 7 games. We will see if he has more money than sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Moorhead is basically Dan Mullen without the massive douche factor. He is installing a version of the RPO similar to Mullen's but better. We have a very capable group of asst. coaches. We have talent literally sitting on the bench waiting to play. Yet we will win only 7 games. I cannot wrap my head around that level of thinking.
Bartoo called Chad Morris the worst hire in the SEC yet has Arky winning one less game than us. He called Moorhead an inspired hire that proves MSU wants to take another step forward in the West, yet we will only win 7 games. His shit just doesn't make sense half the time.
Just like Bill Connelly or Phil Steele, you have to take Dave Bartoo with a grain of salt. Yes, he's pumping his own version of 'advanced stats' but they are all flawed in some way. None of it hits above Vegas, which is obviously still not a very good bet. Perhaps if you get all 3 to agree on something, you might have a pretty good bet
None of them seem like they played football at all, ie they don't realize how important the trenches are, which is where we're most experienced
Statistics are simply a starting point, in any situation. For example, Steele will say we have a bunch of starters returning. Bartoo will say we have an unproven coach, Connelly will say our recruiting ranking will keep us from being elite. All have flaws, but you also have to prove the other direction, ie are our starters good? Do we have better players than our ranking? Will Moorhead be as good as Mullen? etc
Once we beat the crap out of LSU, AGAIN!, his and other's narrative will change.
Sure, but these guys overthink things.Quote:
Originally Posted by IMissJack
Bo believed in this team a couple of months ago, but the further away we get from last season, the more the media forgets their eye test & instead regresses back to using traditional model numbers that tell them what they "should" believe.
It's why the SEC predictions are basically the same every year regardless of the feeling you got directly following the previous season.
Here's a tip:
Rank the SEC teams for the following season within a month after the previous season, & don't change them unless new, substantial information emerges.
At the end of 2017, MSU passed the eye test as a top tier SEC team & they return everybody. If you forget that, you are doing your predictions a disservice.
This same phenomenon happens in the NFL draft, at the end of the CFB season, you know who the best players are, but then that changes after workouts & other things leading up to the NFL draft.
It's blinding
We will win 7 or more in our first 9 games. Anybody who thinks Florida is gonna leave DWS with a victory this fall has lost their damn minds. That place is going to be more electric than anything anyone has ever seen.
Yep. Dan better bring 3 pairs of shorts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I'll go so far as to say we will be rolling into T-Town for a 1 v 2 match up of 9-0 teams. We might even be the #1 in that match up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Schlabach on ESPN has us #20 right now. We will have beaten his Way too Early #23 LSU (on the road), #14 Auburn, UF (who will be ranked when we play them), a rebuilding A&M, K State and Kentucky on the road, and 3 cupcakes. Bama will have faced teams rebuilding (Lousiville, OM, A&M, Arky, MO and Tenn), cupcakes (Arky St., UL-L) and LSU
Seven wins? In that case I would like to place a very public, very real, bet with Mr Bounds for $10K. I will take the over. PM me, Bo.