Sankey?s Letter in the gun law.....

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Originally Posted by mparkerfd20

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Andy Gipson
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So, today right after the House voted 80-29 to pass HB 1083, this carefully worded letter was released by the SEC. Two things are immediately obvious: 1) the SEC must not know that our State enhanced carry law has permitted concealed carry on campus including ball games since the passage of HB 506 in 2011; and 2) someone in the higher echelons of state bureaucracy is coordinating or attempting to coordinate a partial repeal of our State gun laws by veiled threats such as this. Only 29 Democrats voted against the bill today. Everyone who fought the bill today voted for it in 2011.

Is this evidence of the "deep state" manipulating and working against the people?

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That is interesting.

1. I am pro-gun.

2. I don?t like this proposed change to the law. Guns aren?t allowed in bars. Tailgating is a giant bar. Plus emotions and fights.

3. I also don?t like that sports organizations are leveraging themselves to influence local politics. The NCAA and SEC are overstepping their bounds in placing threats and ultimatums against laws made be freely-elected state legislators.

It?s not whether or not you are for or against a particular law. The ends here do not justify the means. The NCAA and SEC should stick to sports.

I think this is an extremely dumb idea for many reasons but I don't carry so I don't study the numbers. Out of curiosity what is a guess at the number of enhanced carry license holders that would be in Davis Wade during an SEC game?

Anyone intent on carrying in a gun to an SEC football game needs to have their damn head examined. If you’re not a LEO, leave it in your vehicle.

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

1. I am pro-gun.

2. I don?t like this proposed change to the law. Guns aren?t allowed in bars. Tailgating is a giant bar. Plus emotions and fights.

3. I also don?t like that sports organizations are leveraging themselves to influence local politics. The NCAA and SEC are overstepping their bounds in placing threats and ultimatums against laws made be freely-elected state legislators.

It?s not whether or not you are for or against a particular law. The ends here do not justify the means. The NCAA and SEC should stick to sports.

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This exactly where I'm at, and you stated it much better than I did. Well said.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Look, I'm not for this. But I want to know did Sankey try to address this privately without bringing the media into it. Sometimes things can be done without dragging it through the media and creating a bigger s***storm. That's all i'm saying. If that's what it takes to keep us from being screwed by the SEC then so be it.

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It was a letter addressed to the heads of the universities. Keenum has already issued a public statement against the law. This is a bad law and the hue and cry is needed to hopefully get it voted down.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

that passed the Mississippi house leaves little doubt that we will no longer be able to have SEC home games if athletic events aren?t exempted. It also hints that we might be removed from the SEC. I favor gun rights but this law is just stupid. Guns have no place in the hands of drunk fans at an athletic event.

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Hahahahahaha. The fact that you think drunk fans will just be bringing in guns willy nilly explains all I need to know about your knowledge or lack there of on the laws and statistics. Pretty sure being drunk with a firearm is already against the law no matter the permit you carry. So they were committing a crime to begin with which current laws aren’t preventing. If laws prevent crime we wouldn’t have crime. Logic.

This law states that persons with enhanced carry permits (aka police officers and some civilians with equal training and certifications) into the stadium. Currently a non uniformed police officer(ECL Holder) is not allowed to carry into a game, even though the current law states they can. What is the difference in a police officer if they have their uniform on or blue jeans and a t-shirt. This allows people to sue the public institutions from preventing it.

Secondly, all CCL and ECL holders, including myself, know not to carry if you plan on inbibing even just a little. It?s the main thing they beat into you and the penalties for gun carry holders are much more severe than normal citizens. Common sense and logic applied here.

Lastly, CCL and ECL commit less crimes per capita, not overall, than actual law enforcement officials with essentially the same ECL permits. Meaning per the amount of people who hold these permits they commit a lower percentage of crimes than law enforcement personnel. We are talking a smaller percentage of crimes from a small percentage of population. More logic.

All of this boils down to overall public gun and gun law ignorance. The stats bear out that persons willing to put themselves through the training and FBI requirements to legally obtain these permits, adhere to current laws and gun laws more strictly than the actual persons enforcing said laws and gun laws. Logic again.

Some of you people really need to stop watching tv, stop reading the propaganda papers and magazines , and start looking at statistics. If you were to believe the propaganda, you?d currently see murder rates throughout the roof, because after all Dont more guns equal more murders? Gun sales have skyrocketed over the last decade. Where are the murders to mirror this skyrocket? Isn?t that what you were all told? Didn?t happen, same way Texas didn?t see gun crimes increase after they passed concealed carry. In fact the exact opposite and logical result occurred, less crimes and murder. Funny how logic and common sense play out time and time again, yet the statistics get printed in the classified section if they get printed at all.

On a diffeeent note, wouldn?t it be safer for police officers on and off duty to be carrying at events? Sankey is essentially saying it would not be, while saying he is concerned about event safety. This is Liberal Logic.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

That is interesting.

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Individual places are still allowed to ban guns, including enhanced carry.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Hahahahahaha. The fact that you think drunk fans will just be bringing in guns willy nilly explains all I need to know about your knowledge or lack there of on the laws and statistics.

This law states that persons with enhanced carry permits (aka police officers and some civilians with equal training and certifications) into the stadium. Currently a non uniformed police officer(ECL Holder) is not allowed to carry into a game, even though the current law states they can. What is the difference in a police officer if they have their uniform on or blue jeans and a t-shirt. This allows people to sue the public institutions from preventing it.

Secondly, all CCL and ECL holders, including myself, know not to carry if you plan on inbibing even just a little. It?s the main thing they beat into you and the penalties for gun carry holders are much more severe than normal citizens. Common sense and logic applied here.

Lastly, CCL and ECL commit less crimes per capita, not overall, than actual law enforcement officials with essentially the same ECL permits. Meaning per the amount of people who hold these permits they commit a lower percentage of crimes than law enforcement personnel. We are talking a smaller percentage of crimes from a small percentage of population. More logic.

All of this boils down to overall public gun and gun law ignorance. The stats bear out that persons willing to put themselves through the training and FBI requirements to legally obtain these permits, adhere to current laws and gun laws more strictly than the actual persons enforcing said laws and gun laws. Logic again.

Some of you people really need to stop watching tv, stop reading the propaganda papers and magazines , and start looking at statistics. If you were to believe the propaganda, you?d currently see murder rates throughout the roof, because after all Dont more guns equal more murders? Gun sales have skyrocketed over the last decade. Where are the murders to mirror this skyrocket? Isn?t that what you were all told? Didn?t happen, same way Texas didn?t see gun crimes increase after they passed concealed carry. In fact the exact opposite and logical result occurred, less crimes and murder. Funny how logic and common sense play out time and time again, yet the statistics get printed in the classified section if they get printed at all.

On a diffeeent note, wouldn?t it be safer for police officers on and off duty to be carrying at events? Sankey is essentially saying it would not be, while saying he is concerned about event safety. This is Liberal Logic.

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This is NOT about law enforcement officers.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It was a letter addressed to the heads of the universities. Keenum has already issued a public statement against the law. This is a bad law and the hue and cry is needed to hopefully get it voted down.

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I'm with PI on this, the NCAA and SEC needs to stick with sports, hell they don't even do a good job policing their own member institutions.

He did the same thing to Arkansas and they simply amended the bill to exclude event facilities.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He did the same thing to Arkansas and they simply amended the bill to exclude event facilities.

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Which would be the logical thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Look, I'm not for this. But I want to know did Sankey try to address this privately without bringing the media into it. Sometimes things can be done without dragging it through the media and creating a bigger s***storm. That's all i'm saying. If that's what it takes to keep us from being screwed by the SEC then so be it.

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We went thru this in GA a couple of years ago. The reason the SEC and other organization have to get involved like this are the thickheadedness of the legislators. They go to these ALEC conferences and are given legislation to pass, told its good for the cause and will guarantee their reelection, and refuse to listen to their constituents views. It takes threats from the SEC, big businesses that don?t want guns in the workplace (like Coke and Home Depot here in GA), to get them to back down.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Hahahahahaha. The fact that you think drunk fans will just be bringing in guns willy nilly explains all I need to know about your knowledge or lack there of on the laws and statistics. Pretty sure being drunk with a firearm is already against the law no matter the permit you carry. So they were committing a crime to begin with which current laws aren?t preventing. If laws prevent crime we wouldn?t have crime. Logic.

This law states that persons with enhanced carry permits (aka police officers and some civilians with equal training and certifications) into the stadium. Currently a non uniformed police officer(ECL Holder) is not allowed to carry into a game, even though the current law states they can. What is the difference in a police officer if they have their uniform on or blue jeans and a t-shirt. This allows people to sue the public institutions from preventing it.

Secondly, all CCL and ECL holders, including myself, know not to carry if you plan on inbibing even just a little. It?s the main thing they beat into you and the penalties for gun carry holders are much more severe than normal citizens. Common sense and logic applied here.

Lastly, CCL and ECL commit less crimes per capita, not overall, than actual law enforcement officials with essentially the same ECL permits. Meaning per the amount of people who hold these permits they commit a lower percentage of crimes than law enforcement personnel. We are talking a smaller percentage of crimes from a small percentage of population. More logic.

All of this boils down to overall public gun and gun law ignorance. The stats bear out that persons willing to put themselves through the training and FBI requirements to legally obtain these permits, adhere to current laws and gun laws more strictly than the actual persons enforcing said laws and gun laws. Logic again.

Some of you people really need to stop watching tv, stop reading the propaganda papers and magazines , and start looking at statistics. If you were to believe the propaganda, you?d currently see murder rates throughout the roof, because after all Dont more guns equal more murders? Gun sales have skyrocketed over the last decade. Where are the murders to mirror this skyrocket? Isn?t that what you were all told? Didn?t happen, same way Texas didn?t see gun crimes increase after they passed concealed carry. In fact the exact opposite and logical result occurred, less crimes and murder. Funny how logic and common sense play out time and time again, yet the statistics get printed in the classified section if they get printed at all.

On a diffeeent note, wouldn?t it be safer for police officers on and off duty to be carrying at events? Sankey is essentially saying it would not be, while saying he is concerned about event safety. This is Liberal Logic.

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Dude, I know what enhanced carry is. I am probabaly about to get mine. Do you think that people who have that certification don?t get drunk at football games?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He did the same thing to Arkansas and they simply amended the bill to exclude event facilities.

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Which is exactly what we should do. I have no problem with the bill otherwise.

I think we should reply back to Sankey and tell him we'll remove it from the bill if they'll give us beer at games.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I'm with PI on this, the NCAA and SEC needs to stick with sports, hell they don't even do a good job policing their own member institutions.

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If somebody gets shot by a drunken fan at an SEC game who do you think would be libel?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I think we should reply back to Sankey and tell him we'll remove it from the bill if they'll give us beer at games.

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It would not matter if he did, state law prohibits it.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It would matter if he did, state law prohibits it.

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Freaking Baptists!

I kind of find it interesting that 2nd Amendment advocates, the NRA, and the republicans allow any restriction to me carrying a weapon hidden or otherwise, anywhere inside the country's boarders. Its like I have to have this certain permit to do such things the constitution already arguably allows me to do.
Sounds like their should be either an amendment to the constitution or.....this shouldn't be a law. People do know that is how we actually change the rules right. By amending the US Constitution.