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He also had probably twice as many Hall of Famers on his team. I don't like Brady at all but saying Montana is hands down better than Brady is definitely letting fandom influence you. Joe is definitely up there and he proved he was great even with Kansas City but Brady is at least on par with him and most think he is better overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
16 years to 14 years. Yeah, twice as longQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Fletcher was double-teamed Every single pass play until the end of the 4Th quarter......and guess what happened when they didn?t? He was all over Brady.
Take this stat - 44 QB pressures last night from Fletcher - 44!!! And was double teamed the entire time. That alone tells you how much of a game-changer he is for the Pats to scheme their entire offensive gameplan knowing they HAD to double on Fletcher.
Amazing.
What?? That's video game cheat mode on Madden numbers. You got a link to that stat? That's insaneQuote:
Originally Posted by Westdawg
This is an interesting thread. Both QB's played for the dominant teams of their era, for the recognized best coach in the league during that time (and 2 of the best ever). I think you have to go with Brady - primarily because of the totality of his post seasons. Making 8 Super Bowls, having a 27-10 playoff record, making the AFC Championship game 13 times in 16 seasons, all trump anyone. It is a sustained level of success that is unparalleled in the NFL - and rivals the Yankees of the Casey Stengal era (1949-1960) and the Boston Celtics of the Red Auerbach/Bill Russell era (1950-1969).
As for Montana, he is the best of his era, hands down. But, I think Bart Starr's and his 5 Titles would have something to say about people calling Montana the GOAT.
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
ditto... Not sure what the rest of the post was, but I'm sure it was as ignorant as its beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxdog
Joe Montana had Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time. Also the Patriots throw the ball on 80% of their plays so he is their entire offense.
Brady has been the Patriots QB for 16 seasons (he was the backup in 2000 and missed the entire 2008 season with injury). In those 16 seasons he has made the playoffs 15 times. He's won 5 Super bowls. Nick Foles is only the 5th non-Manning QB to beat Brady in the playoffs. If not for the Mannings beating him 5 times who knows how many Superbowls he has. Brady is 27-10 in the playoffs.
I think Brady is the GOAT, but think Rodgers is better than him right now.
True. If it hadn't been for that, the Patriots would have racked up 800 yds instead 613. Ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
You misread that....Pass rush SNAPS are not pressures. He only had 5 hurries and 1 hit on Brady. the other 36 other times he sucked up a double team and couldnt get back there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westdawg
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So, Brady's injury and early back-up years don't count but Montana's do?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Try 16 to 12. And we all know Brady is coming back for at least two more years. And if you take out a strike shortened season and the fact that Montana spent half of 1986 on the IR- it's really more like 16 to 11 and counting. I don't think the idea of Brady playing 20 years is out of the question do you? Certainly the Patriots wouldn't have traded Garapallo if they thought Brady only had a couple of years left.
We will use your 12 years then... Brady has made the super bowl in 8/16 years = .500. Montana made the super bowl in 4/12 years = .333.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Then you aren't arguing GOAT you're arguing who was the best QB at their peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Actually, not really. Rice, Lott, and Fred Dean for now. Young was on the team but he was the back-up QB. The Patriots had Junior Seau, now Randy Moss, and Gronk will make it I'm pretty sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
For some reason a lot of fans think that Joe showed up at the same time as Rice- but that wasn't the case. Montana actually won two Super Bowls without Rice and did it throwing to Dwight Clark and Freddie Soloman.
Career qb rating... Brady = 97.6; Montana = 92.3Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
And only has one more win in the Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Isn't that the whole point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I know you're just quoting my comment for ammo but I am clearly in the Tom Brady is GOAT camp just to make sure nobody is confusedQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We may have a lot more information when Brady does retire if the Patriots are still a good team. If Brady retires and they plug in a new qb that wins some superbowls, that will somewhat weaken Brady's argument, just like Steve Young being able to keep the 49ers going weakens Montana's argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Which doesn't take into account their rushing totals- of which Montana has more yards and rushing TD's despite playing fewer years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7