Joe Moorhead and our RB's

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02-03-2018, 01:09 PM
Pollodawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That?s because everyone finally realized Mullen probably had legit reasons not to play JRob, but no one wants to admit it.

If he?d had his head on straight, he?s be the best we ever had.
02-03-2018, 03:58 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That?s because everyone finally realized Mullen probably had legit reasons not to play JRob, but no one wants to admit it.

Those same issues are probably why he isn't on a NFL roster also.
02-03-2018, 05:36 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Aeris is a great back we're fortunate to have him. From the eye test Hill is more explosive. What I mean by "leaving yards on the field" is he falls alot after alluding defenders or trying to cut. Williams is a great straight line runner. Hill however wouldn't fall on those cuts and extend those plays for more yards.

I don?t know if I?ve ever disagreed with you on football stuff before, and I?m not necessarily disagreeing with you now, but there?s a ton of value in having a guy that?s going to avoid negative plays and find 3+ yards over and over again. AW is that guy. Hill is certainly more explosive, but he?ll also lose yards if an OL loses a block. AW will find a way to get something positive.
02-03-2018, 06:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That?s because everyone finally realized Mullen probably had legit reasons not to play JRob, but no one wants to admit it.

Dan was definitely an asshole to him at times as well too. I don't think one more carry against Kentucky to get 200 yards would have hurt anyone. I also remember Dan crawling up Josh's ass for throwing up a landshark during the 2013 Egg Bowl. I don't remember him doing that to Pernell McPhee even though McPhee got a penalty or any of the other myriad of players who have landsharked Ole Miss through the years.

Whatever Josh did it wasn't bad enough for him to not be at least second string and come back after he left the team.
02-03-2018, 06:27 PM
Todd4State

Also- more food for thought. Joe used a lot of two back sets at Fordham. I really think we're going to see that with us. It sounds to me like Penn State was somewhat limited with their personnel to a degree.
02-04-2018, 05:52 AM
biggun

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

Hill could be another transcendent JRock/Boobie type back when he was the experience. But, and I?m about to get roasted, in my 31 years, Josh Robinson is the best back we?ve had from a pure talent, cut, elusive, quickness, standpoint.

IMO, JRob is 3rd behind only JJ Johnson & J Norwood in ranking our best RB’s in the last 20 years
02-04-2018, 07:30 AM
Dawg61

This some dumb shit. Aeris had 1,100 yards rushing last year. Hill had 393 yards rushing. Sometimes the starting RB is the starter for a reason. This is one of those times.
02-04-2018, 07:30 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I don?t know if I?ve ever disagreed with you on football stuff before, and I?m not necessarily disagreeing with you now, but there?s a ton of value in having a guy that?s going to avoid negative plays and find 3+ yards over and over again. AW is that guy. Hill is certainly more explosive, but he?ll also lose yards if an OL loses a block. AW will find a way to get something positive.

I agree, Hill had a few freshmen moments throughout last year. Williams is a great back I take nothing from him. It's just faster solid defenses he struggles due to lack of speed and change of direction. However, I was surprised he was surprised in the Bama game with Williams he really shined. But was that due to Bama playing #42 the majority of the game? I think so. Normally he struggles against those types of defenses due to speed. I think back to A&M two years ago with Myles Garrett, Bama every year with the exception of this one, and Georgia. Any fast defense he disappears. The game that made that crystal clear to me was Georgia this past year. Williams was getting swallowed up big time with his typical side step shuffle. Hill came into the game and Georgia struggled containing him due to his explosiveness and quickness. Hill is the answer to beating the Georgia's, Florida's, and Bama's of the world. He's speed with power.

And don't worry about disagreeing with me. I don't know It all. Just more than coach..lol.
02-04-2018, 08:36 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I agree, Hill had a few freshmen moments throughout last year. Williams is a great back I take nothing from him. It's just faster solid defenses he struggles due to lack of speed and change of direction. However, I was surprised he was surprised in the Bama game with Williams he really shined. But was that due to Bama playing #42 the majority of the game? I think so. Normally he struggles against those types of defenses due to speed. I think back to A&M two years ago with Myles Garrett, Bama every year with the exception of this one, and Georgia. Any fast defense he disappears. The game that made that crystal clear to me was Georgia this past year. Williams was getting swallowed up big time with his typical side step shuffle. Hill came into the game and Georgia struggled containing him due to his explosiveness and quickness. Hill is the answer to beating the Georgia's, Florida's, and Bama's of the world. He's speed with power.

And don't worry about disagreeing with me. I don't know It all. Just more than coach..lol.

Aeris had 11 carries for 56 yards vs bama in 2016
02-04-2018, 09:48 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Aeris had 11 carries for 56 yards vs bama in 2016

Good point - our running game problems in games like Bama and UGA aren?t as much player related as they were Dan related. Dan?s game plan gave us a pattern of fall behind quickly by 14-21; then rely on passing and QB runs. That limited his use of RBs - even if they were being productive (like your stat illustrates).
02-04-2018, 01:42 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Aeris had 11 carries for 56 yards vs bama in 2016

56 yards mostly in the 4th quarter is success? We're a running team that could get nothing the entire day.
02-04-2018, 01:43 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Good point - our running game problems in games like Bama and UGA aren?t as much player related as they were Dan related. Dan?s game plan gave us a pattern of fall behind quickly by 14-21; then rely on passing and QB runs. That limited his use of RBs - even if they were being productive (like your stat illustrates).

You do not beat Bama with a big 10 style back.
02-04-2018, 02:12 PM
Coach34

Aeris will play because he is a Sr that does all the little things you need as a RB.
Hill will play because he is an explosive RB with NFL talent.

The rest? Not so much
02-04-2018, 02:46 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Aeris Williams is the best RB on the roster. Why is it hard to admit/see that?

Like 34 said Hill is good and going to be great, but its not his time. Both will play and we will see both on the field at the same time some. Just like Fitz/Key
02-04-2018, 02:55 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

You do not beat Bama with a big 10 style back.

It?s funny how short memories people have. Dan?s gameplan against Bama this year was completely different then the past. We committed to the run and had success - as much success as anyone else had against Bama all year. 42 rushes for 172 yards. It was pretty much straight up the middle pounding - like Big 10 football. No, we didn?t win. But, it was as close as Dan ever came.
02-04-2018, 04:09 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

It?s funny how short memories people have. Dan?s gameplan against Bama this year was completely different then the past. We committed to the run and had success - as much success as anyone else had against Bama all year. 42 rushes for 172 yards. It was pretty much straight up the middle pounding - like Big 10 football. No, we didn?t win. But, it was as close as Dan ever came.

It actually wasn't. Bama had their 3rd string Middle backer playing. He couldn't tackle a sole if his life depended on it. It was so bad they took him out and replaced him with a true freshman. And we still lost
02-04-2018, 04:14 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

It actually wasn't. Bama had their 3rd string Middle backer playing. He couldn't tackle a sole if his life depended on it. It was so bad they took him out and replaced him with a true freshman. And we still lost

Keith Holcombe who started for them was a 4 star MLB that committed to Bama over us. Hes actually not bad, you have to be good to get on the field at Bama and hes always on it whether its special teams or defense. We didnt lose bc we couldnt run the ball, we lost bc Mullen once again didnt have a plan to actually win the game when it came down to it. Our last offensive drives when we were up and when they tied it were pathetic. He shit himself bc we actually were in position to win and he didnt have a plan for it

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