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07-16-2017, 09:38 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

LSU isn't anywhere close to a "for sure loss," and hasn't been for 3 years.

Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into the Spring Game considering our offense, particularly under Fitz, is predicated by the QB run game, and the QBs were wearing green jerseys. It's a hell of a lot easier to play pass defense as a DB when you know the QB isn't going to run, you can give up rushing yards without repercussions, and, ultimately, you are auditioning for a starting spot by exhibiting the best coverage you can.

Look no further than the Dear TD reception against Ole Miss....

Alabama is the only game that is a near for sure loss however, on the flip side, we really only have the Charleston Southern and UMass games as near sure wins. BYU, even at home, is definitely not a sure win and going on the road to Ruston, LA has definitely proven tricky in the past.
07-16-2017, 09:40 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

There has been optimism around every new DC we've had except Torbush.

How's that?

Uh, all of them have been pretty decent except Sirmon, who was the worst coordinator of either side of the ball in MSU football history.
07-17-2017, 08:26 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

I'm glad you included the "even with Keyteon" because Fitz's passing prowess still has me concerned. I realize it's only a spring game, but for everyone worrying about our secondary - our own QB looked like garbage against them. Did they play up, or did he have an off day?

As civildawg stated, Vegas doesn't miss much. Cautiously optimistic they are in this case.

I was told that Mullen said all but one of those picks were on the recvrs not being in the correct position / route because of their inexperience and he said he wasn't worried at all ... that's what I was told fwiw
07-17-2017, 08:29 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I was told that Mullen said all but one of those picks were on the recvrs not being in the correct position / route because of their inexperience and he said he wasn't worried at all ... that's what I was told fwiw

That's coachspeak for "I'm keeping the heat off my QB". But it also speaks to what I've said about Couch and Todd and not getting your hopes up this season
07-17-2017, 08:31 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Covercorner2

LSU isn't anywhere close to a "for sure loss," and hasn't been for 3 years.

Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into the Spring Game considering our offense, particularly under Fitz, is predicated by the QB run game, and the QBs were wearing green jerseys. It's a hell of a lot easier to play pass defense as a DB when you know the QB isn't going to run, you can give up rushing yards without repercussions, and, ultimately, you are auditioning for a starting spot by exhibiting the best coverage you can.

Look no further than the Dear TD reception against Ole Miss....

LSU is the closest thing to a sure loss that we have. 16 of the last 17 years. You guys do this to yourself every year and then every year get disappointed. We haven't even had 100 rushing vs them the last 2 games COMBINED.
07-17-2017, 08:39 AM
biggun

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Originally Posted by 99jc

Of that shitstorm defense we had last year we always play auburn close even with crappy teams. I think we win at least 1 if not 2 of those 4 sure losses. Not that we couldn't lay an egg with say Kentucky or another team we should beat.

Auburn stomped us last year @ Davis Wade. It was 35-0 at half!!, destroyed from the opening whistle.
07-17-2017, 09:02 AM
Tbonewannabe

5.5 is low for my expectations but you don't truly know what the defense will look like. We think that the Jucos will pan out and Grantham will get one of the worst defenses in the country immediately turned around. If that happens, I figure on between 7-9 wins with 6 being the minimum. If the Jucos take a half season like they do sometimes then you can probably shift the win total -1 or -2. Then the expectations become 6-8 with 5 being the minimum. Fitz will look a lot better than he did in the spring but we still need some more passing options to show up. Whether it is Couch, Todd, or Mitchell being the Bear type receiver we need or the TEs picking up the slack, we need something on offense. Our run game should be pretty good with the RBs we have and Fitz being the best running QB in the country.

Our defense could also take a giant step forward if Simmons is as consistently good as we think he could be. Simmons, Sweat, and Rivers might live in the backfield which will help the entire D out tremendously.
07-17-2017, 09:06 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

That's coachspeak for "I'm keeping the heat off my QB". But it also speaks to what I've said about Couch and Todd and not getting your hopes up this season

I think it also shows how complicated Mullen has now made the offense. We aren't just a spread option running QB offense anymore. There is a reason that Dak was ready to play in Game 1 in the NFL. This isn't the same passing offense that Chris Relf ran in the Gator Bowl.
07-17-2017, 09:14 AM
MarketingBully

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

There has been optimism around every new DC we've had except Torbush.

How's that?

Sirmon was by far the shittiest DC I have ever seen and it was also his first year ever at that position. Every other DC Mullen has had has at least been decent/average. If our D was decent to average last year, this would have been an 8/9 win team. Last year was also our first year in the 3/4 which takes at least a year to get everything in place. I think Grantham will give us an above average defense and the way we should be able to run the football we should be able to surprise some people.
07-17-2017, 09:15 AM
DancingRabbit

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I was told that Mullen said all but one of those picks were on the recvrs not being in the correct position / route because of their inexperience and he said he wasn't worried at all ... that's what I was told fwiw

If I recall correctly, two of the picks went off the receivers hands.
07-17-2017, 09:17 AM
MarketingBully

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

LSU is the closest thing to a sure loss that we have. 16 of the last 17 years. You guys do this to yourself every year and then every year get disappointed. We haven't even had 100 rushing vs them the last 2 games COMBINED.

Dumbest hire in the history of hires was them hiring Ed O. Just plain dumb. That rivals them hiring Curley Hallman or Gerry Dinardo.
07-17-2017, 09:29 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Dumbest hire in the history of hires was them hiring Ed O. Just plain dumb. That rivals them hiring Curley Hallman or Gerry Dinardo.

Why? His body of work since OM is pretty good. He has steadied 2 programs after they fired the coach. I think he will do a great job. He is going to discipline and recruit- and let his coordinators do the coaching.
07-17-2017, 09:33 AM
Coldsleeve Jr.

Is Grantham running a 3-4 or 4-3? Just curious.

I go back and forth on the O hire. Seems dumb on the surface but can't ignore his record since the OM days. He'll do dumb stuff but I think he'll surprise some ppl too.
07-17-2017, 09:39 AM
MarketingBully

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Why? His body of work since OM is pretty good. He has steadied 2 programs after they fired the coach. I think he will do a great job. He is going to discipline and recruit- and let his coordinators do the coaching.

We shall see RP. We shall see.
07-17-2017, 09:40 AM
MarketingBully

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

Is Grantham running a 3-4 or 4-3? Just curious.

I go back and forth on the O hire. Seems dumb on the surface but can't ignore his record since the OM days. He'll do dumb stuff but I think he'll surprise some ppl too.

Grantham is a 3-4 guy but it wouldn't surprise me if we saw multiple looks but the majority will be 3-4.
07-17-2017, 09:44 AM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

LSU is the closest thing to a sure loss that we have. 16 of the last 17 years. You guys do this to yourself every year and then every year get disappointed. We haven't even had 100 rushing vs them the last 2 games COMBINED.

How many of those 17 years did LSU have a gorilla coaching them?
07-17-2017, 09:52 AM
Covercorner2

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

LSU is the closest thing to a sure loss that we have. 16 of the last 17 years. You guys do this to yourself every year and then every year get disappointed. We haven't even had 100 rushing vs them the last 2 games COMBINED.

The games the past three years have been decided by 10 points COMBINED, with State winning one of them. Two of them were also in Death Valley, this one is in Starkville.
07-17-2017, 09:53 AM
MarketingBully

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Why? His body of work since OM is pretty good. He has steadied 2 programs after they fired the coach. I think he will do a great job. He is going to discipline and recruit- and let his coordinators do the coaching.

They bungled the coaching hire. They should have gone all in and given whatever it took to get Jimbo Fisher and made him such a deal that Jimbo would have been a fool to turn it down. They were never going to get Tom Herman with the Texas job opening up. Fisher was legitimately interested in the LSU job and had a great support system and felt comfortable there. I just don't see how they are going to get to where they want to go which is winning conference and national championships with Coach O.
07-17-2017, 09:59 AM
Brahmabull

I got down on it a couple of weeks ago. Anything can happen but I think we can get to 6 wins.
07-17-2017, 10:02 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

How many of those 17 years did LSU have a gorilla coaching them?

12 or so

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