Coaching change - really ??

I'm as pissed off at and low on Mullen as anyone right now, but the biggest dumbass award goes to Stricklin scheduling OSU. If you are going to put a list together of 3 main factors that have helped MSU improve their program since Mullen has taken over, friendly OOC schedule is without a doubt one of them. Taking one of those positive influences away from the program is complete dumbassedry. We need 4 very winnable OOC games to keep ourselves in position to bowl. The SEC is too damn strong to make it any harder on ourselves.

..does not have the ability to recognize his playmakers & turn them loose. He tries to build his football team like a faceless corporation where "everybody contributes equally." That may work at Alabama where every player is a 5 star superhero, but it doesn't work at programs where you are lucky to have 2 outstanding players on the roster.

This something Freeze is very good at: He recognizes his 2 or 3 playmakers & builds his whole offense around getting them the ball. Same on defense: Freeze has only 2 or 3 playmakers on defense, but he builds his defense around their skills.

Mullen treats his top talent like conveyor belt persona: Use them twice a game as a means to fool the opponent them send them back to guard the Gatorade bucket for the rest of the game.

Plus it blows my mind Mullen is supposed to be an offensive genius yet he, not counting Dak's little razzle dazzle, runs only 7 plays a game: Short screen up the middle to Perkins; short screen right to Perkins; short screen left to Perkins. Delay draw Perkins run up the middle; delay draw Perkins right; delay draw Perkins left. Then the random 15 yard pass when there is a 5% chance the catch will be made.

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Originally Posted by CJDAWG85

Yeah I've calmed down a lot from Saturday night... but we need Mullen to get his fire back... I want that cocky coach from 2010 back

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I was angry Saturday too, but unlike a lot of people, I realized it'd be better if I didn't go into a rage on the internet. We, as a fanbase, have got to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. We were in full meltdown mode. I bet that was quite fulfilling to the Ole Miss fans. Not to mention, we have subhuman people talking shit to players. I saw a tweet where coachcamp (Elijah Staley's dad) was perplexed about how we were acting. How about we not run off our recruits just because we're upset about a loss? I mean, I get it. I was upset and heartbroken too. But sometimes it's better to just let things go.

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Originally Posted by Ronny

..does not have the ability to recognize his playmakers & turn them loose. He tries to build his football team like a faceless corporation where "everybody contributes equally." That may work at Alabama where every player is a 5 star superhero, but it doesn't work at programs where you are lucky to have 2 outstanding players on the roster.

This something Freeze is very good at: He recognizes his 2 or 3 playmakers & builds his whole offense around getting them the ball. Same on defense: Freeze has only 2 or 3 playmakers on defense, but he builds his defense around their skills.

Mullen treats his top talent like conveyor belt persona: Use them twice a game as a means to fool the opponent them send them back to guard the Gatorade bucket for the rest of the game.

Plus it blows my mind Mullen is supposed to be an offensive genius yet he, not counting Dak's little razzle dazzle, runs only 7 plays a game: Short screen up the middle to Perkins; short screen right to Perkins; short screen left to Perkins. Delay draw Perkins run up the middle; delay draw Perkins right; delay draw Perkins left. Then the random 15 yard pass when there is a 5% chance the catch will be made.

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Nailed it

Yes Jackie lost to some bad teams, something Dan hasn't really done. But he also beat some really good teams, something Dan hasn't done. So, like I said in the first place, they are about equal at this point.

But you can't discount the difference between a 12-game schedule and an 11-game schedule. Dan can go 2-6 in the league and still go bowling. If Jackie went 2-6 in the league he was considered an absolute failure.

Social media is not a friend of a program with a fickle fan base like State's.

Read clay travis recent post on Mullen, if he ends up 4-8 this year he's only averaging .8 more SEC wins than Croom. Everybody outside the program sees the program is getting worse. Can he change it around before the year ends, we'll see, but I'm not getting my hopes up

So, you would rather be a sucky team, but since we go bowling by beating crappy teams...then "all is well"?

I really don't get this. I can't hlep myself, from responiding to all the people syaing this. Our team is the same if we had beaten UAB or lost to Ok State...

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

I'm as pissed off at and low on Mullen as anyone right now, but the biggest dumbass award goes to Stricklin scheduling OSU. If you are going to put a list together of 3 main factors that have helped MSU improve their program since Mullen has taken over, friendly OOC schedule is without a doubt one of them. Taking one of those positive influences away from the program is complete dumbassedry. We need 4 very winnable OOC games to keep ourselves in position to bowl. The SEC is too damn strong to make it any harder on ourselves.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

So, you would rather be a sucky team, but since we go bowling by beating crappy teams...then "all is well"?

I really don't get this. I can't hlep myself, from responiding to all the people syaing this. Our team is the same if we had beaten UAB or lost to Ok State...

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At least playing OSU first game lets you see problems and make adjustments to fix them. We had plenty of problems, no corrective actions though.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

So, you would rather be a sucky team, but since we go bowling by beating crappy teams...then "all is well"?

I really don't get this. I can't hlep myself, from responiding to all the people syaing this. Our team is the same if we had beaten UAB or lost to Ok State...

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Of course it's the same team if you are looking at it at a one game level. Think a little further down the road. Bowling is crucial in that it gets you extra practice to develop your youth and it keeps the fans engaged. Nobody beats their chests about winning 6 games and going to a crap bowl, but it gives the fans a little something to look forward to during the winter and gives you some hope leading into the next year. Going 5-7 isn't all that much different than winning 6 during the regular season, but it sure is a lot more depressing for the program and fans if you stay home during bowl season and the programs down the road don't.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

So, you would rather be a sucky team, but since we go bowling by beating crappy teams...then "all is well"?

I really don't get this. I can't hlep myself, from responiding to all the people syaing this. Our team is the same if we had beaten UAB or lost to Ok State...

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Not "all is well", but "we are bowling and still considered a winning program by recruits", yes. Why can't we change coaches while we're winning if we KNOW he's only winning due to the schedule and our team is not playing to their potential? I would rather guarantee a bowl game AND make the change to a coach like Hud BEFORE the ship sinks.

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Of course it's the same team if you are looking at it at a one game level. Think a little further down the road. Bowling is crucial in that it gets you extra practice to develop your youth and it keeps the fans engaged. Nobody beats their chests about winning 6 games and going to a crap bowl, but it gives the fans a little something to look forward to during the winter and gives you some hope leading into the next year. Going 5-7 isn't all that much different than winning 6 during the regular season, but it sure is a lot more depressing for the program and fans if you stay home during bowl season and the programs down the road don't.

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I'd rather have stayed home than gone to watch us play like crap vs. NW.

Loosing to Auburn sucked, especially because of the play calling in the 4th, but I enjoyed watching it. Maybe we are turning a corner, but if Auburn is as bad I think they are, we don't deserve to go to a bowl and I'll be glad to save the money.

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Originally Posted by Hypnodawg

I'd rather have stayed home than gone to watch us play like crap vs. NW.

Loosing to Auburn sucked, especially because of the play calling in the 4th, but I enjoyed watching it. Maybe we are turning a corner, but if Auburn is as bad I think they are, we don't deserve to go to a bowl and I'll be glad to save the money.

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I won't knock your personal opinion. I don't like watching up crap up a game, bowl or not. My only point is that a season with a bowl is better than one without a bowl. Which program has a better chance at turning some kind of corner? A program with consecutive 5 wins or less seasons or one that goes to a bowl each year? I don't see how anyone could argue for the 5 wins or less route and actually believe what they say. There is no reason we should make it tougher on ourselves in getting to a bowl until we make it absolutely clear that we don't have to rely on 4 OOC patsies to get there.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Not "all is well", but "we are bowling and still considered a winning program by recruits", yes. Why can't we change coaches while we're winning if we KNOW he's only winning due to the schedule and our team is not playing to their potential? I would rather guarantee a bowl game AND make the change to a coach like Hud BEFORE the ship sinks.

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What bowl did Ole Miss go to in 2010 and 2011? Yet somehow they were still able to kick our tail in recruiting and have a team much better prepared. They took the damned golden egg last year and they hadn't been to a bowl since 2009.

Truth. Just think about if you would have had a headset on during all the games.

The sad part is, I don't know which one you want.

I'll evaluate next year at the end of next year. But I will say I expect more than 6-6.

We are Mississippi State. Look who Ole Miss got when they fired Cutcliff. If Mark says no (and he might), we'd be hiring the same thing. A recruiting coordinatior from Washington State.

I'd love to know the list of coaches that got booted after bowl seasons. Maybe I'm wrong. I now people say Croom, but damn that was a different animal..we were soooo bad.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Not "all is well", but "we are bowling and still considered a winning program by recruits", yes. Why can't we change coaches while we're winning if we KNOW he's only winning due to the schedule and our team is not playing to their potential? I would rather guarantee a bowl game AND make the change to a coach like Hud BEFORE the ship sinks.

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Of course it's the same team if you are looking at it at a one game level. Think a little further down the road. Bowling is crucial in that it gets you extra practice to develop your youth and it keeps the fans engaged. Nobody beats their chests about winning 6 games and going to a crap bowl, but it gives the fans a little something to look forward to during the winter and gives you some hope leading into the next year. Going 5-7 isn't all that much different than winning 6 during the regular season, but it sure is a lot more depressing for the program and fans if you stay home during bowl season and the programs down the road don't.

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Winning 5 is also not that much different from winning 4, is winning four similar to winning 3, is 3 close to 2? It's not the Kevin bacon game where you connect the dots to find the answer. Winning five sucks.