When (If) Ole Miss is kicked out of the SEC for cheating like no one else has before;

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

The only way they can get kicked out (as a charter member) would be a unanimous vote of the other 13 member institutions. It will never happen. And oddly enough, the reason it will never happen is the school that would absolutely benefit the most from them leaving (MSU) would never vote for it to happen because the IHL and maybe even state legislature would intervene and put an insurmountable amount of political pressure to make sure MSU's vote goes the way they want it. And if its Keenum's political pandering ass that gets to issue our vote, he won't need any extra incentive. He'll vote for them to stay and start counting those OM fan votes he picked up when he runs for Senate / governor / etc.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believers. Just because it's never happened before in the modern age DOESN'T mean it can't happen with this group who refuses to play by the rules. SMU will soon get to breathe a collective sigh of relief as they will no longer be the poster child for NCAA criminality and punishment.

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So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

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You can put me in that category too. Bears aren't getting kicked out of the conference and, when they get hammered, it's these threads they will point to and say "see, so what if we got hammered, you were wrong and we are still in sec."

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

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It's not just football that would be a nightmare for other SEC schools to rework their schedules, but ALL sports.

Hey, anything can happen but eliminating them from the SEC is a big IF.

Better chance for death penalty > than kicking them out. Death penalty is another IF, hey I would love to see the worse happen to them so don't get me wrong, like you said WSOPdawg, I don't believe it will happen.

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Originally Posted by basedog

It's not just football that would be a nightmare for other SEC schools to rework their schedules, but ALL sports.

Hey, anything can happen but eliminating them from the SEC is a big IF.

Better chance for death penalty > than kicking them out. Death penalty is another IF, hey I would love to see the worse happen to them so don't get me wrong, like you said WSOPdawg, I don't believe it will happen.

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I agree basedog in that it's a BIG if.

In fact, I'd almost like to see them NOT get the DP but get absolutely hammered as the NCAA systematically runs through their new penalty matrix and applies scholarship losses for EACH individual Level I and Level II violation just to see the total add up to 55 or 60 lost scholarships. Then tack on 3-4 years of lost bowl appearances and the Bears are doomed for the next 10-20 years.

They'd almost shut their football program down on their own. Again, it's either gonna be bad (30+ scholarship losses and 2 year bowl penalty) -OR- it's gonna be REALLY BAD (40+ scholarship losses and 3+ year bowl penalty). Just depends on how the NCAA applies it to their new penalty matrix.

I'd say we play them for a few more years just so we can skill drag them into oblivion. After that, make them an afterthought and then rotate them with the rest of the instate whoops... USM, Alcorn, Mississippi, & JSU. Of course, they'd have to come to a starkville, but we could pay them to come. They'll need it after missing out on the SEC and ESPN money.

Hell No, don't play them. Start a series with Georgia Tech or TCU to get Dallas or Atlanta exposure each year for all sports

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I'd say we play them for a few more years just so we can skill drag them into oblivion. After that, make them an afterthought and then rotate them with the rest of the instate whoops... USM, Alcorn, Mississippi, & JSU. Of course, they'd have to come to a starkville, but we could pay them to come. They'll need it after missing out on the SEC and ESPN money.

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I say keep playing them every year and treat them from 2020 on like they treated us the in the 50's and 60's. Even up the overall record by pounding them into oblivion every year, then win one more game to give us the series lead.

*Then* drop them.

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

I say keep playing them every year and treat them from 2020 on like they treated us the in the 50's and 60's. Even up the overall record by pounding them into oblivion every year, then win one more game to give us the series lead.

*Then* drop them.

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I thought about that too. Would be nice to just skill drag then for two straight decades. Funny thing is, no matter what they do now, they're in for a long, long decade.

I just can't comprehend the fact Bucky and Bozo are still employed. You would think higher ups would want to save there University instead of a couple of guys who have done more damage control EVER at Oxford. I also don't understand there so call Chancellor and his view on things, you would think a bunch of lawyers would make better decisions.

I suppose it all goes back to them being in overtime trying to at least tie the game and a wide open run for a Qb to the goal line and he fumbles!

Dak and his 4th quarter comeback.

No, don't play them. Let them have to play Alcorn and Delta State for any kind of state wide recognition.

**** those shit birds!

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

So we can put HSVDawg and basedog in the "Oh ye of little faith, naive non-believer" category.

HSVDawg, I thought someone posted a short while ago that only 60% of current members is now needed to remove teams from the conference. But again, it gets back to if TCUN can't compete by putting a team on the field, the SEC has to replace them on the schedule with somebody and why let another institution "mooch" off the revenues if they can't positively contribute to the revenues. Don't say "it will never happen" just because it hasn't happened to-date in the modern age of the SEC.

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This is absolutely incorrect. If it were true, both MSU and OM would have been voted out 20+ years ago so that other schools could get our cut of the pie. The bylaws require a unanimous vote from the other members to kick out a charter member. And you are a crazy person if you think the backwards ass MS political machine (largely controlled by OM) wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to make sure they don't get the boot. That would include the IHL not renewing contracts of Keenum or Cohen if they didn't vote the way they wanted.

From the SEC bylaws, apparently last updated July, 2014:

*3.1.3 Suspension of Membership. Membership may be suspended at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A
member may be suspended at any time by a vote of at least two-thirds of the members, either indefinitely or for a stated
period, for any conduct deemed to be incompatible with membership. [Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]
*3.1.4 Termination of Membership. Membership may be terminated voluntarily by the resignation of a member or
involuntarily at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least two-thirds of the members is required to
terminate membership. Any motion to terminate membership shall specify the effective date of the proposed termination.
[Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

This is absolutely incorrect. If it were true, both MSU and OM would have been voted out 20+ years ago so that other schools could get our cut of the pie. The bylaws require a unanimous vote from the other members to kick out a charter member.



And you are a crazy person if you think the backwards ass MS political machine (largely controlled by OM) wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to make sure they don't get the boot. That would include the IHL not renewing contracts of Keenum or Cohen if they didn't vote the way they wanted.

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Not only incorrect, but you're WRONG!!! See Dawgpile's response below.



I'm just saying THIS CASE is going to force people everywhere to have to think outside the box because its so unique and so extensive and precedent-setting.

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Originally Posted by Dawgpile

From the SEC bylaws, apparently last updated July, 2014:

*3.1.3 Suspension of Membership. Membership may be suspended at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A
member may be suspended at any time by a vote of at least two-thirds of the members, either indefinitely or for a stated
period, for any conduct deemed to be incompatible with membership. [Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]
*3.1.4 Termination of Membership. Membership may be terminated voluntarily by the resignation of a member or
involuntarily at a meeting of the Chief Executive Officers. A vote of at least two-thirds of the members is required to
terminate membership. Any motion to terminate membership shall specify the effective date of the proposed termination.
[Clarified/Conformed 6/1/11]

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So again, let's say TCUN gets hammered into oblivion. Do they field a team that couldn't even beat Delta State or Alcorn, or do they fold up shop for a couple of seasons? If they do this, rest assured the SEC will look at the option of removing them from the conference because (1) why share revenue with a cheat who can no longer contribute financially(?) and (2) for scheduling logistics, especially if a suitable replacement can be found.

To say there is 100% chance SEC removal will not happen is being naive. Think outside the box and look at it from a business perspective.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

This is absolutely incorrect. If it were true, both MSU and OM would have been voted out 20+ years ago so that other schools could get our cut of the pie. The bylaws require a unanimous vote from the other members to kick out a charter member. And you are a crazy person if you think the backwards ass MS political machine (largely controlled by OM) wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to make sure they don't get the boot. That would include the IHL not renewing contracts of Keenum or Cohen if they didn't vote the way they wanted.

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The strategy is that Keenum and Cohen don't say a damned thing before the vote, then last minute recuse themselves from the vote. If fired, they get a baller settlement and give MSU the greatest-gift to future prosperity.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

Not only incorrect, but you're WRONG!!! See Dawgpile's response below.



I'm just saying THIS CASE is going to force people everywhere to have to think outside the box because its so unique and so extensive and precedent-setting.




So again, let's say TCUN gets hammered into oblivion. Do they field a team that couldn't even beat Delta State or Alcorn, or do they fold up shop for a couple of seasons? If they do this, rest assured the SEC will look at the option of removing them from the conference because (1) why share revenue with a cheat who can no longer contribute financially(?) and (2) for scheduling logistics, especially if a suitable replacement can be found.

To say there is 100% chance SEC removal will not happen is being naive. Think outside the box and look at it from a business perspective.

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I may stand corrected then, but I'm not sure this is all encompassing. My recollection from when this came up a few years ago during all the conference realignment discussion is that there is a different process (requiring a more unanimous vote) for charter members. Basically, the process above would apply to the South Carolina's / Arkansas's / Missouri's. If in fact it only requires 8 schools to vote out anyone, then both State and OM are treading on very delicate footing and, honestly, should be voted out if the other schools want to do what is in their best interest (especially in today's world where the TV revenue dictates everything). But I don't think its quite that easy (fortunately for us).

Anyway, regardless of how many votes it takes, I have no doubt that political pressure will come into play very prominently for our vote if it ever actually came to that. That's all I'm saying.

I also don't know why you're telling me I need to "think outside the box" and "not be naive". Nobody on this board has one damn bit of control on whether OM gets the death penalty or gets kicked out of the league. Obviously I'd love for both of those things to happen but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You can put me in that category too. Bears aren't getting kicked out of the conference and, when they get hammered, it's these threads they will point to and say "see, so what if we got hammered, you were wrong and we are still in sec."

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Ditto.... I'm not sure even 1/3 of the SEC Schools would vote out UM, much less the 2/3 (or greater) required....

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You can put me in that category too. Bears aren't getting kicked out of the conference and, when they get hammered, it's these threads they will point to and say "see, so what if we got hammered, you were wrong and we are still in sec."

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Uh, ok. But isn't that like saying.. "Ha ha ha ha!! You said I'd get life in prison and I only got 40 years! Jokes on you!!"

Sure thing there, bucko. Enjoy your stay.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Ditto.... I'm not sure even 1/3 of the SEC Schools would vote out UM, much less the 2/3 (or greater) required....

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I tend to agree, but how much of a hit to its brand would the SEC be willing endure with this TSUN worst-case scenario.

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

I may stand corrected then, but I'm not sure this is all encompassing. My recollection from when this came up a few years ago during all the conference realignment discussion is that there is a different process (requiring a more unanimous vote) for charter members. Basically, the process above would apply to the South Carolina's / Arkansas's / Missouri's. If in fact it only requires 8 schools to vote out anyone, then both State and OM are treading on very delicate footing and, honestly, should be voted out if the other schools want to do what is in their best interest (especially in today's world where the TV revenue dictates everything). But I don't think its quite that easy (fortunately for us).

Anyway, regardless of how many votes it takes, I have no doubt that political pressure will come into play very prominently for our vote if it ever actually came to that. That's all I'm saying.

I also don't know why you're telling me I need to "think outside the box" and "not be naive". Nobody on this board has one damn bit of control on whether OM gets the death penalty or gets kicked out of the league. Obviously I'd love for both of those things to happen but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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HSV, two things - first, I agree its a dangerous precedent to set once (or if) somebody gets removed from the conference, especially for any non-big boy school (like MSU), but again, it's more about bringing value, acting honorably and building strong relationships (a TCUN on probation is very different from a dead TCUN that brings very little to the table for an extended period of time).

Secondly, I wasn't necessarily telling you to think outside the box as much as I was saying EVERYBODY needs to think outside the box given all the different tentacles that TCUN's case has and how large it is. I guarantee you the NCAA never thought a monster like this would materialize when they instituted their new penalty matrix in 2013. I'm definitely not singling you out specifically.

If Sankey ever calls for a vote, it's because he has the votes.

The SEC membership will follow birmingham's lead. And if the SEC office says "were not having SMU level cheaters here" the other member institutions would be very hard pressed to disagree. All that said, I can't ever see it coming to that, but they could and would likely be suspended indefinitely if they get the death penalty.