Going to be a pretty good signing class for the star gazers...

Our lower-ranked OL have turned out better than our higher-ranked guys. We focus entirely too much on the rankings of our OL commits.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I thought several of these counted back to the 2016 class but I don't see them listed that way on 247. How does that work...I don't understand. I also noticed that our class rank for the 16' class is up to 29...about where Mullen typically recruits.

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You can sign 25 in a given year, so if you sign less than 25 one year, you can sign the difference in December as JUCOs. Their scholarship numbers count back, but for recruiting sites, they're still considered part of the upcoming class.

So if we sign 20 one year, we can sign 30 the following year if 5 are early-enrolling JUCOs. But all 30 would be counted as part of the class signing in February on recruiting sites.

We have pretty much secured our 2 OT's for the 2018 class in Kwatrivious Johnson and Nik Hogan. They are both very good tackle recruits.

TBuck is on a bunch of South Fla guards...we only need one

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Originally Posted by smootness

You can sign 25 in a given year, so if you sign less than 25 one year, you can sign the difference in December as JUCOs. Their scholarship numbers count back, but for recruiting sites, they're still considered part of the upcoming class.

So if we sign 20 one year, we can sign 30 the following year if 5 are early-enrolling JUCOs. But all 30 would be counted as part of the class signing in February on recruiting sites.

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They don't have to be EE JUCO's. They can be Prep or HS early graduates as well.

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg34

Not sure where you are getting those numbers from. We have 5 OL signees/commits right now, and 4 of them will make it for sure(Phillips, Champion, Richardson, Suggs) and Cooper has a decent shot at making it too. We tend to redshirt 95% of the OL we sign, so the OL we bring in are in reality replacing the upcoming seniors rather than the graduated seniors. So this class is in reality replacing the Offensive lineman that were juniors in the 2016 season, and we only have one in Rankin. When you actually look at the numbers, we aren't in as much trouble as most people seem to think. I expect atleast one of the two JUCO guys will redshirt next season, let's say it's Phillips that redshirts.

2017 Season:

Redshirt	Freshmen	Sophomore	Junior	Senior
M. Richardson	D. Parker	M. Story	D. Calhoun	M. Rankin
C. Suggs	S. Reese	D. Williams	R. Cochran
J. Cooper?	G. Eiland	H. Moon	E. Jenkins
			T. Phillips
			T. Champion

2018 Season:

Redshirt	Freshmen	Sophomore	Junior	Senior
K. Johnson	M. Richardson	D. Parker	M. Story	D. Calhoun
2018 recruit	C. Suggs	S. Reese	D. Williams	R. Cochran
2018 recruit	J. Cooper?	G. Eiland	H. Moon	E. Jenkins
2018 recruit			T. Phillips	T. Champion
			2018 JUCO

2018 is the key, gotta get another solid 5 guys and I think we will be in good shape going forward. The upcoming senior class is what's really killing us. We only have one rising senior and he was a JUCO guy. People bitched when Rankin was redshirted, but if he hadn't we would be screwed going into next year.

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Looking at your chart we have too many classes with just three high school o-linemen. That means relying on JUCO's which for the most part hasn't been a great option for us outside of Rankin and maybe Siddoway. There are also a lot of one offer, project, late signee due to barely qualifying types on that list. My guess is this is one of the only position groups on the team like this at this point.

Bo Bounds is being ridiculous today. He's found the most obscure recruiting ranking that makes OM look good & is now referencing it saying that MSU has the 32 ranked class & OM the 38 ranked class.

On 247, MSU is 26th & OM 56th. Not close.

Not to mention, with Gay, Bowie, & Odom on the board, MSU likely finishes in the top 20

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Originally Posted by smootness

You can sign 25 in a given year, so if you sign less than 25 one year, you can sign the difference in December as JUCOs. Their scholarship numbers count back, but for recruiting sites, they're still considered part of the upcoming class.

So if we sign 20 one year, we can sign 30 the following year if 5 are early-enrolling JUCOs. But all 30 would be counted as part of the class signing in February on recruiting sites.

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Unless your Bama & can blue shirt

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

They don't have to be EE JUCO's. They can be Prep or HS early graduates as well.

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I don't think that's correct. They have to actually sign in that calendar year, which HS guys can't do. They still sign in February.

ETA: After searching, it appears you are correct. As long as they enroll early, they count back.

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Originally Posted by smootness

You can sign 25 in a given year, so if you sign less than 25 one year, you can sign the difference in December as JUCOs. Their scholarship numbers count back, but for recruiting sites, they're still considered part of the upcoming class.

So if we sign 20 one year, we can sign 30 the following year if 5 are early-enrolling JUCOs. But all 30 would be counted as part of the class signing in February on recruiting sites.

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I see now. Ok. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Bo Bounds is being ridiculous today. He's found the most obscure recruiting ranking that makes OM look good & is now referencing it saying that MSU has the 32 ranked class & OM the 38 ranked class.

On 247, MSU is 26th & OM 56th. Not close.

Not to mention, with Gay, Bowie, & Odom on the board, MSU likely finishes in the top 20

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He's always ridiculous

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Originally Posted by smootness

Our lower-ranked OL have turned out better than our higher-ranked guys. We focus entirely too much on the rankings of our OL commits.

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I agree, outside of a few of the OL prospects in the country it is extremely hard to project what an OL will turn in to. There are too many variables with OL. That being said we clearly haven't knocked it out of the park on OL as that is where we have gotten beat the last two years. You have to put together a complete OL, we have had 2 or 3 guys that play well but one hole up front can kill you. Our starting 5 this year played well towards the end of the season but our depth has hurt us. I don't like using bama as a measuring stick because they have owned just about everybody up front and our OL actually held their own against them but we have to have depth up front on both sides of the LOS if we want to have a shot at them.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

don't get too caught up on "stars", buddy....

development is where it's at...***

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Do yourself a favor. Stop reading the CL. I canceled subscription and haven't looked at the online version in over a year. It's great not reading their propaganda.

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This ^^^^^

I don't think our problem against teams like Bama has been the OL. Sure, if you want to knock Bama's DL off the line, you're going to have to have a stud OL, but who has an OL that can do that? Our problem against teams like Bama has been playcalling. We get away from what we do best and try to beat them at their own game, which is never, ever going to work.

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg34

Not sure where you are getting those numbers from. We have 5 OL signees/commits right now, and 4 of them will make it for sure(Phillips, Champion, Richardson, Suggs) and Cooper has a decent shot at making it too. We tend to redshirt 95% of the OL we sign, so the OL we bring in are in reality replacing the upcoming seniors rather than the graduated seniors. So this class is in reality replacing the Offensive lineman that were juniors in the 2016 season, and we only have one in Rankin. When you actually look at the numbers, we aren't in as much trouble as most people seem to think. I expect atleast one of the two JUCO guys will redshirt next season, let's say it's Phillips that redshirts.

2017 Season:

Redshirt	Freshmen	Sophomore	Junior	Senior
M. Richardson	D. Parker	M. Story	D. Calhoun	M. Rankin
C. Suggs	S. Reese	D. Williams	R. Cochran
J. Cooper?	G. Eiland	H. Moon	E. Jenkins
			T. Phillips
			T. Champion

2018 Season:

Redshirt	Freshmen	Sophomore	Junior	Senior
K. Johnson	M. Richardson	D. Parker	M. Story	D. Calhoun
2018 recruit	C. Suggs	S. Reese	D. Williams	R. Cochran
2018 recruit	J. Cooper?	G. Eiland	H. Moon	E. Jenkins
2018 recruit			T. Phillips	T. Champion
			2018 JUCO

2018 is the key, gotta get another solid 5 guys and I think we will be in good shape going forward. The upcoming senior class is what's really killing us. We only have one rising senior and he was a JUCO guy. People bitched when Rankin was redshirted, but if he hadn't we would be screwed going into next year.

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Looks like your table sums up the numbers I was referencing quite well. We had 3 HS OL signees last year which you show and this year we should have 4 OL that are set to qualify (2 HS/2 JUCO) and a 3rd HS signee that is very questionable to qualify. But let's say Cooper doesn't qualify, then you essentially have 5 HS OL signees in 2 combined back to back classes. I think at this point we have to be committed to bringing in JUCO OL on a very regular basis for the foreseeable future. Not that that is a bad thing if you get good ones.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Bo Bounds is being ridiculous today. He's found the most obscure recruiting ranking that makes OM look good & is now referencing it saying that MSU has the 32 ranked class & OM the 38 ranked class.

On 247, MSU is 26th & OM 56th. Not close.

Not to mention, with Gay, Bowie, & Odom on the board, MSU likely finishes in the top 20

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He has a show on ESPN radio. I'm sure that's why he is using their rankings. I won't argue that ESPN is the least credible source for recruiting rankings though.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I don't think our problem against teams like Bama has been the OL. Sure, if you want to knock Bama's DL off the line, you're going to have to have a stud OL, but who has an OL that can do that? Our problem against teams like Bama has been playcalling. We get away from what we do best and try to beat them at their own game, which is never, ever going to work.

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Did you see Dak Prescott play against them in 2015? He deserves an award for not getting murdered. Our issue has been that we aren't as talented as them anywhere outside the QB position.

We're not signing enough high end HS offensive linemen. Period. Signing 2-3 HS linemen per year that qualify is a death wish in this league....especially when 1 or 2 of the 3 aren't prospects that anybody in our league wanted anyway. We can make excuses or cite the Juco guys all we want....but we simply aren't signing enough of the Lashleys, Pattersons, or God forbid an actual stud OLman out of HS. We have a run first system that had Dak Prescott and now Fitz & Keytaon, as well as Aeris & Hill....there's no excuse for us to be losing on linemen to South Carolina and that shitty offense. We should be elite OL recruiters with our offensive style...but instead we sign three low end 3 stars every year and then hope that after a redshirt year, and then 2 development years, we MIGHT get a "serviceable" OLineman for his last 2 years. That is pathetic, embarrassing, and inexcusable. Even unacceptable imo.

ETA: And stop with the "who has an OL that pushes Bama around?" stuff....how bout a line that can dominate South Alabama? Is that too much to ask? Stop with the excuses...we aren't getting the job done by a long shot on OL recruiting. The first step is everyone admitting it.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

We're not signing enough high end HS offensive linemen. Period. Signing 2-3 HS linemen per year that qualify is a death wish in this league....especially when 1 or 2 of the 3 aren't prospects that anybody in our league wanted anyway. We can make excuses or cite the Juco guys all we want....but we simply aren't signing enough of the Lashleys, Pattersons, or God forbid an actual stud OLman out of HS. We have a run first system that had Dak Prescott and now Fitz & Keytaon, as well as Aeris & Hill....there's no excuse for us to be losing on linemen to South Carolina and that shitty offense. We should be elite OL recruiters with our offensive style...but instead we sign three low end 3 stars every year and then hope that after a redshirt year, and then 2 development years, we MIGHT get a "serviceable" OLineman for his last 2 years. That is pathetic, embarrassing, and inexcusable. Even unacceptable imo.

ETA: And stop with the "who has an OL that pushes Bama around?" stuff....how bout a line that can dominate South Alabama? Is that too much to ask? Stop with the excuses...we aren't getting the job done by a long shot on OL recruiting. The first step is everyone admitting it.

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While I agree about oline recruiting for the most part, CBs were a much bigger problem last season and I don't see any top flight CBs committed. There's no outrage over that though.

The USA commit is pretty misleading... we had 34 rushes for 239 yards (7.03 per carry)

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Looking at your chart we have too many classes with just three high school o-linemen. That means relying on JUCO's which for the most part hasn't been a great option for us outside of Rankin and maybe Siddoway. There are also a lot of one offer, project, late signee due to barely qualifying types on that list. My guess is this is one of the only position groups on the team like this at this point.

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^^This, glad to see someone else is seeing the issue I am that these repeated low number of HS OL signees is forcing us into the boat of HAVING to sign a couple of JUCO OL per year for the near future.