What's this smoking gun the bear's are talking about

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Originally Posted by missouridawg

I've always heard that they give bonuses to commit. And I think there is a reason why so many highly rated players take visits to OM (visit bonus). And I've also heard that they pay out in monthly installments. Essentially, if you agreed to taking $100K... you'll get that paid out per month over your career.

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They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

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I think they may have to worry about Tom Allen of all people. I've heard rumors that he didn't agree with what was going on in Oxford and that was a big reason why he left. There are also rumors that he didn't like Feeeze's Christian schtick going on with it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think they may have to worry about Tom Allen of all people. I've heard rumors that he didn't agree with what was going on in Oxford and that was a big reason why he left. There are also rumors that he didn't like Feeeze's Christian schtick going on with it.

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What regular Christian wouldn't have a problem with Bucky using religion to cloak illegal recruiting?

Folks, never make the mistake of thinking the only impermissible benefits they are providing are the ones being reported. Their results stink to high-heaven, particularly when combined with the fraction of stuff that's been discovered and alleged.

The big $ payouts are the stuff we're much less likely to actually hear about. That doesn't mean it's not happening. It just means they're a lot more careful about covering their tracks on the big stuff.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

They've paid players to decommit from us. Paid them to not mention State in their interviews when asked what schools they're considering. Etc... They'll pay for damn near anything.

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Not refuting your allegations, but it were proven they paid players to decommit or not mention us, or any other SEC school, then their being tossed from the conference would be a forgone conclusion. That would not only be cheating but, an overt act to harm other schools - nobody would let that slide. If they did it to other schools, then it would be item one on the agenda of the next SEC meeting.

Right now, my view is that they have their own internal problems. Butt sore former employees/coaches, and as always is the situation in cases like this- self-righteous non-athletic department types, all itching to ratt out the flagship. This may not be just a perfect storm, but a nuclear meltdown the likes of which makes SMU look like 9 over 3.

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

Not refuting your allegations, but it were proven they paid players to decommit or not mention us, or any other SEC school, then their being tossed from the conference would be a forgone conclusion. That would not only be cheating but, an overt act to harm other schools - nobody would let that slide. If they did it to other schools, then it would be item one on the agenda of the next SEC meeting.

Right now, my view is that they have their own internal problems. Butt sore former employees/coaches, and as always is the situation in cases like this- self-righteous non-athletic department types, all itching to ratt out the flagship. This may not be just a perfect storm, but a nuclear meltdown the likes of which makes SMU look like 9 over 3.

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All of that, at least that I'm aware of, was well before the ncaa's current investigation. More so during the 3-2 Pat Pat debacle, but it wouldn't shock me if they're still doing it.

https://twitter.com/bryan_ctp/status/818193031904063492

Walter Hughes is just trying to help the kids guys. You have him all wrong. Freeze brought this
Guy on a recruiting visit. This guy!

https://twitter.com/CopiahDawg/statu...08797843922945

Mr FCA was just helping kids

Good gracious. This is the guy Freeze was in a visit with?

How could this not be an automatic show cause?

http://i.imgur.com/XNckXwu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eUhLWv9.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/GqIhmWx.jpg

That's some interesting evangelism they do up in Oxford.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

https://twitter.com/bryan_ctp/status/818193031904063492

Walter Hughes is just trying to help the kids guys. You have him all wrong. Freeze brought this
Guy on a recruiting visit. This guy!

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Hughes was dissociated from Ole Miss. Doesn't that mean he's not allowed to Tweet potential recruits on OM's behalf (whether the school approves of him doing it or not) and that it would be some sort of violation?

Edit: I see that the date on his Tweet was 2012, before he was kicked off the ship.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The very first allegation, each subsection was a lot more than that and totals nearly $7,500. Their misinformation does it job a lot more than people think. Not picking on you, but without the CL constantly keeping the truth in the general public, even people who are on message boards believe their lies like this. And when they say there was no pay for play, that is a complete lie. That is exactly what impermissible benefits are. Doesn't have to be cash. Free loaner cars count as well.

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Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Yeah, I recall it being in the neighborhood of $7500. But that's still small. I had in mind 6 figures, and new cars, etc. Paying a $400 utility bill or an aggregate of $7500 may be just as bad as far as the NCAA is concerned, but it doesn't sound as bad.

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With the many ways to hide money today, any school getting caught for a big one time payment are idiots and deserve immediate death penalty. And the NCAA don't have to have the big payment to hammer a school. It is a public perception deal, I understand that, but it is extremely hard to find that proof today.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Not sure, but the NCAA doesn't need proof or a smoking gun to smoke them.

It's one of the most mis-understood foundations of the American legal system.

You don't need proof, you just need "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". The difference between "proof" & "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is enormous.

Not sure why the Bears don't understand that

As to your question, I have no idea about a smoking gun. I still find if funny though how they'll blame everyone but themselves

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You realize reasonable doubt is a legal term and this isn't a trial, right?

Apparently there was an anonymous tip from last week the NCAA is now investigating, involving the greatest class ever, 2013. This is why the investigation just wont end, they started looking into new events as recently as last week.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Apparently there was an anonymous tip from last week the NCAA is now investigating, involving the greatest class ever, 2013. This is why the investigation just wont end, they started looking into new events as recently as last week.

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http://www.troll.me/images2/facepalm...t-ever-end.jpg

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

Hugh is considering coming out as a transvestite faith healer that sings show tunes at private parties and certain hair salons on the square. Lil Kim hired him a couple years ago as entertainment in Atlanta, but he was so awful he jumped out a window to get away from it.

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Question is.....Did he remember to grab his Sax before he made the jump?

https://allforthe.lol/upload/2015/12...4-2b62527a.jpg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Maybe Kiffin ratted them out in exchange for being allowed to work under his brother

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Fingers crossed.