Does Cohen Give Mullen An Extension Without Firing Hev first?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How much did 2 5* RBs (Michel and Chubb) that will both be NFL help Georgia's oline?

Rushing offense -- 9th in sec
TFL allowed -- 11th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 6th in sec

Didn't face bama or lsu either.

Starting Georgia oline...

LT -- Catalina (transfer picked GA over Auburn)
LG --wynn 4*
C -- kublanow 4*
RG -- gaillard 4*
RT -- pyke 4*

Go to 247 and check those guys' offer sheets

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I see what you are saying but it's kind of apples vs oranges. A good RB does not equate to a mobile QB. A mobile QB is tough for a defense to scheme around so you end up floating guys out and losing one as a spy which takes a lot of pressure off the OL. Probably masked OL deficiencies....just like Dak did. I agree. With a SEC West caliber OL and Dak we could have won a NC. For that, alone, Hev should be taken off the recruiting trail....those oppurtunities don't come around often for a program like MSU.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Georgia has a statue for QB. That's the difference. The Defense does not have to account for him. Look at our offense with TR vs Dak in 2014. Or look at it this year with Holloway vs Every other RB. Holloway was a non factor so it was essentially 11 on 10.

Why must people continue to compare apples to lava rocks, in order to push a point or agenda?

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Same thought at same time. Great minds.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Georgia has a statue for QB. That's the difference. The Defense does not have to account for him. Look at our offense with TR vs Dak in 2014. Or look at it this year with Holloway vs Every other RB. Holloway was a non factor so it was essentially 11 on 10.

Why must people continue to compare apples to lava rocks, in order to push a point or agenda?

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So you don't 2 NFL RBs behind an all 4-star oline that avoided the top 2 rush defenses in the sec (we faced both) should finish ahead of us in rushing despite shump and Holloway receiving 20% (105 combined carries of our 532 total)? Seems Hev did pretty good or some of our olinemen were underrated

BTW here's how Arkansas stacked up...

Rushing offense -- 10th in sec
Avg yards per rush -- 12th
Sacks allowed -- 13th
TFL allowed -- 12th

Everyone here gushes over the Hogs' mighty oline .

Oh left out our avg rush per attempt -- 4th

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Who could? OM thrived off quick passes.

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LSU and Auburn lost 4 games each. Somebody blocked them enough

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Originally Posted by msstate7

BTW here's how Arkansas stacked up...

Rushing offense -- 10th in sec
Avg yards per rush -- 12th
Sacks allowed -- 13th
TFL allowed -- 12th

Everyone here gushes over the Hogs' mighty oline .

Oh left out our avg rush per attempt -- 4th

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I don't. They big but mostly slow. Usually pretty good run blockers but quick D linemen and LBs tend to wear them out in obvious passing situations. I am surprised their rushing offense wasn't better than that tho.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

LSU and Auburn lost 4 games each. Somebody blocked them enough

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Auburn avg'd 13.4 ppg in losses
Lsu avg'd 9.3 ppg in losses

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Our six win season wasn't because of the O Line. It's because of the Defense sucking.

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We scored 3 vs Bama
We had 6 points vs LSU until 5 mins left in the game
We had 7 points vs Auburn thru 3 Q's

It wasnt just our defense

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I don't. They big but mostly slow. Usually pretty good run blockers but quick D linemen and LBs tend to wear them out in obvious passing situations. I am surprised their rushing offense wasn't better than that tho.

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Looking at those stats makes me wanna beat sirmon with a stick

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Looking at those stats makes me wanna beat sirmon with a stick

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I'm giving him a break this year. The D was bad, but in games it did ok our offense didn't show up (like USA, BYU, and MOH). I'm with RP on the 6 losses ... it just wasn't solely because of the D.

ETA: I just realized you're talking solely about the Arky game. I'll go along with that.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

BTW here's how Arkansas stacked up...

Rushing offense -- 10th in sec
Avg yards per rush -- 12th
Sacks allowed -- 13th
TFL allowed -- 12th

Everyone here gushes over the Hogs' mighty oline .

Oh left out our avg rush per attempt -- 4th

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Serious question, do you really believe Hevesy has produced quality O-lines during his time here? Do you, in all honesty, believe he adds value to this team?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Auburn avg'd 13.4 ppg in losses
Lsu avg'd 9.3 ppg in losses

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And we scored 14 against Auburn and 20 against LSU. Enough to win for teams with better defenses than us that beat them. I know that's splitting some pretty thin hairs, but it's not a stretch to say that our defense was much more to blame than our offense for those losses.

Yes, he gets an extension. He should have been extended last year.

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Originally Posted by thf24

And we scored 14 against Auburn and 20 against LSU. Enough to win for teams with better defenses than us that beat them. I know that's splitting some pretty thin hairs, but it's not a stretch to say that our defense was much more to blame than our offense for those losses.

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Our offense was to blame for USA and byu. Our defense is to blame for Kentucky and Arkansas. The other losses were bc the opposing team was just better.

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

Serious question, do you really believe Hevesy has produced quality O-lines during his time here? Do you, in all honesty, believe he adds value to this team?

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I think Hev has done a good job coaching... not so much recruiting. I do think we're getting some better oline recruits lately and I'm interested to see if Hev can do good with em

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Originally Posted by thf24

And we scored 14 against Auburn and 20 against LSU. Enough to win for teams with better defenses than us that beat them. I know that's splitting some pretty thin hairs, but it's not a stretch to say that our defense was much more to blame than our offense for those losses.

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We got garbage points against both because they were way ahead. With the game on the line- our offense did nothing.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

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We have also had two and a half seasons where we couldn't even field a competent oline. 2011, 2015, and part of 2016. Hev is obviously a good enough coach, but we are flirting with disaster every year because we can't afford any injuries on the Oline. I don't know whether Hev should be fired and I certainly don't want to fire him because we aren't consistently moving the ball against top 10 defenses. But we should always, barring extremely bad luck with injuries, be able to put 5 OL on the field that belong in a power 5 conference. Not saying they have to be good, but we shouldn't look at any one them and think we'd be indifferent to trading them for an average Group of 5 OL.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Rushing offense -- 5th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 2nd in sec
TFL allowed -- 3rd in sec

So, were the recruiting rankings wrong or is Hev a good coach? Seems it would have to be one or the other.

Definitely want to improve oline recruiting... not saying I'm happy with that. I do think Hev gets ripped when his group has consistently outperformed say our safeties, yet all we hear is oline

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How much did 2 5* RBs (Michel and Chubb) that will both be NFL help Georgia's oline?

Rushing offense -- 9th in sec
TFL allowed -- 11th in sec
Sacks allowed -- 6th in sec

Didn't face bama or lsu either.

Starting Georgia oline...

LT -- Catalina (transfer picked GA over Auburn)
LG --wynn 4*
C -- kublanow 4*
RG -- gaillard 4*
RT -- pyke 4*

Go to 247 and check those guys' offer sheets

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Scoring defense nationally...

1. Bama
5. Lsu
7. Auburn

Seemed to be a problem for everyone.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So you don't 2 NFL RBs behind an all 4-star oline that avoided the top 2 rush defenses in the sec (we faced both) should finish ahead of us in rushing despite shump and Holloway receiving 20% (105 combined carries of our 532 total)? Seems Hev did pretty good or some of our olinemen were underrated

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Originally Posted by msstate7

BTW here's how Arkansas stacked up...

Rushing offense -- 10th in sec
Avg yards per rush -- 12th
Sacks allowed -- 13th
TFL allowed -- 12th

Everyone here gushes over the Hogs' mighty oline .

Oh left out our avg rush per attempt -- 4th

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Auburn avg'd 13.4 ppg in losses
Lsu avg'd 9.3 ppg in losses

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Looking at those stats makes me wanna beat sirmon with a stick

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Wow msstate7 has destroyed y'all in this thread. ****ing BRUTAL fatality bruh!! I have just switched from the "fire Hev line" to the "don't let Hev talk to any recruits line" cause it seems pretty damn obvious Hev can actually coach the boys up he is just an asshole and doesn't need to talk to any of them till they are signed sealed and delivered.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130916170539

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

This is really all I care about. We will be an at best 10 win team forever with Hevesy at the helm of the OL. He may get the most out of the guys we get, but that potential is limited by the players we bring in. Until that changes, Hevesy is our ceiling and he is most certainly at a minimum partly involved in the recruiting aspect of the OL. You can throw out all the stats. The eye test says the big boys beat up our OL more than we take it too them, preventing us from scoring enough points to win. That's just facts.

I know everyone and their brother loses to Alabama right now, but if we play .500 ball against Auburn over Mullen's career and continue to lose to LSU, we can't every get to Atlanta unless the stars align perfectly. And frankly I'm tired of praying the stars align. Ready to make it look like we are taking it to people instead of just wishing everything lined up perfectly.

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Harumph

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Having the best running QB in the conference probably disguises the issue statistically.

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Yes but that's Dan Mullen's offensive philosophy. Having a running QB is integral to his offenses' success, and it's also why we DON'T have to have a bunch of 5 star guys on the o-line to be effective.

I'm certainly not saying I don't want to improve our offensive line recruiting, but our offenses are usually pretty good. With the right QB making the right decisions it is phenomenal. If Fitz can improve his passing (and our WRs learn to catch some damn balls) we'll be fine next year.

I'm more concerned about the defense at this point.