Howland

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Villanova recruiting rankings...
'12 = 30th
'13 = 46th
'14 = 32nd
'15 = 30th

Our football program outrecruited Villanova... you still stand by your post?

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I have to admit that surprises me.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The different between a top 3 class & a 4-10 class is the Grand Canyon

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You can really say Top 2 & everyone else. Duke & Kentucky are recruiting at a different level than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

When is Howland going to get pissed off and start actually coaching these players? I have yet to see him yell or raise his voice in anger once since he arrived. Take off the kid gloves and stop walking on eggshells. Howland trying to be nice and on his best behavior all the time is what's wrong with this team right now. I don't want nice Howland. I want pissed off Howland. Haven't seen that guy once. Has he had a single technical foul called on himself since arriving? Just having to ask that means it's a PROBLEM. Kentucky wouldn't have nearly the same success with all their freshman every year if Calipari was scared to light their asses up and scared to yell at the 17ing refs. There is such a thing as being too nice.

I'll posted this on SPS but I think it's an interesting topic so I'll post it here too.

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Unreal

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I find it interesting how people correlate yelling & being pissed off with successful coaching.

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Me too...

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

This is where our fanbase is messing up. We're not recruiting like Kentucky. He ended up a top 10 class because we signed 6 4* kids which is a huge class. The # of quality players put us up there. Kentucky & Duke sign 4 or 5 kids that all are in the Top 20 in the country. We signed 0. We have 0 1 & done kid & not likely to have a 2 & done although 1 or 2 are possible with huge jumps. That #5-8 ranking has warped some of you guys mind. We signed a bunch of guys who can/will be very good basketball players. We didn't sign any elite basketball players like Kentucky (they signed 3 elite guys). Nick is the closest thing to that & he couldn't even get a Kentucky offer so think about that.

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Ok and you're completely glossing over my point of this thread. Howland is recruiting like Wisconsin (you like that better?) but he's coaching like he's the head coach of the Snowflake Sisters University. I am shocked he doesn't include "pretty please with a cherry on top" everytime he asks a player to do something.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are basically copying the Kentucky model on recruiting right now but we ain't coaching like Kentucky. How many technical fouls you think Calipari has gotten since showing up in Lexington? 50+? How many technical fouls has Howland gotten since showing up in Starkville? Zero. That's a problem dude. I hate asshole coaches like the dickhead at USCe but I respect the hell outta coaches like Calipari who get on players asses to force them to become better players. Nobody sets records in weight lifting with a nice spotter.

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The Kentucky model in recruiting? Ugh, no. We ain't even close to that level.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ok and you're completely glossing over my point of this thread. Howland is recruiting like Wisconsin (you like that better?) but he's coaching like he's the head coach of the Snowflake Sisters University. I am shocked he doesn't include "pretty please with a cherry on top" everytime he asks a player to do something.

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So yelling and getting pissed off makes a good coach?

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Is there one thing regarding MS State athletics that you do actually like? You seem to rant quite a bit, so just curious as to why even invest energy into something that obviously brings you down....

I don't care if Howland speaks to the team in Spanish. This is a pointless thread.

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I throw out compliments all the time in game threads. Post in one once in your life and you'll see. What should be troubling for you is that you only notice my negative posts. Hope you don't live your life only noticing the negative in everything else too. That would suck.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Villanova recruiting rankings...
'12 = 30th
'13 = 46th
'14 = 32nd
'15 = 30th

Our football program outrecruited Villanova... you still stand by your post?

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Interesting. That's surprising.

Maybe there is a Stanford or Butler quality to them.

I do know that kids from that part of the country frequently have higher basketball IQs, but that doesn't explain why Villanova is really good while other schools in that area aren't so good.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

but that doesn't explain why Villanova is really good while other schools in that area aren't so good.

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Philadelphia is 94 miles from NYC which is the center of the Big East Conference. Big East basketball has been excellent in basketball for a long time. Ever heard of it?

Smh

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Villanova recruiting rankings...
'12 = 30th
'13 = 46th
'14 = 32nd
'15 = 30th

Our football program outrecruited Villanova... you still stand by your post?

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I'll stand by his post. NCAA basketball isn't like football. The great thing about it is the most talented team often does not win it all or even play for it all. Villanova got hot and went on a run last year, kudos to them. They still weren't even close to as talented as UK, Duke, or several others. And the NBA draft bears that out too. Villanova had ZERO players drafted off their championship team in 2016 and just one (Josh Hart) projected to get picked in 2017, and he is a 2nd rounder according to most services. Same with Butler a few years back although they had Gordon Heyward, and George Mason before them.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

We are basically copying the Kentucky model on recruiting right now but we ain't coaching like Kentucky. How many technical fouls you think Calipari has gotten since showing up in Lexington? 50+? How many technical fouls has Howland gotten since showing up in Starkville? Zero. That's a problem dude. I hate asshole coaches like the dickhead at USCe but I respect the hell outta coaches like Calipari who get on players asses to force them to become better players. Nobody sets records in weight lifting with a nice spotter.

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We are absolutely not following the Kentucky model of recruiting. Why do people think this?

Comparisons to anyone at this point are almost ridiculous. The reality is there are 2 type of successful teams in CBB today
1) KY & Duke loaded with 1 and done type talent
2) Teams deep in SR/Jr talent that has had time to gel and learn the game beyond AAU ball.

We are in the middle - All Fr and SO who have talent but haven't learned the game beyond AAU ball. We have 1 SR & 1 Jr on our roster. That is not a recipe for success in CBB today.

People who thought this was a 1-2 year rebuilt of a program that today's players have never seen ranked in the Top 25 were fooling themselves.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ok and you're completely glossing over my point of this thread. Howland is recruiting like Wisconsin (you like that better?) but he's coaching like he's the head coach of the Snowflake Sisters University. I am shocked he doesn't include "pretty please with a cherry on top" everytime he asks a player to do something.

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You ever seen Brad Stevens coach? Greg Poppovich? Phil Jackson? Jay Wright? Heck, even Coach K most of the time?

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Originally Posted by smootness

We are absolutely not following the Kentucky model of recruiting. Why do people think this?

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omfg how many more times y'all gonna say this? We recruit like Auburn yet we coach like Mississippi University for Women. You like that better? The Kentucky part I want us to copy is the head coach getting on his players and FORCING them to become better. They all sign up for that and they all love it. Calipari has made many millions for many players many times over by doing and being that type of coach. Not by being a coach that has zero technicals in two years. Howland isn't coaching like the guy we all thought we were getting right now. He is being too reserved and too nice. We don't need or want the most likable head coach ever.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

omfg how many more times y'all gonna say this? We recruit like Auburn yet we coach like Mississippi University for Women. You like that better? The Kentucky part I want us to copy is the head coach getting on his players and FORCING them to become better. They all sign up for that and they all love it. Calipari has made many millions for many players many times over by doing and being that type of coach. Not by being a coach that has zero technicals in two years. Howland isn't coaching like the guy we all thought we were getting right now. He is being too reserved and too nice. We don't need or want the most likable head coach ever.

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I'll say it as long as people like you think it's true. Because it isn't.

Calipari is a decent coach, nothing more. I don't care how much his players say they love playing for him, there are multiple ways to approach coaching.

But I'm not that shocked that your analysis of our basketball team doesn't go much further than 'Our coach needs to yell more'. Howland has never been a drill sergeant, and I'm not sure why people think that's who he is. This is who he's always been as a coach. Heck, some of the criticism from his time at UCLA was that he wasn't tough enough on certain players.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I throw out compliments all the time in game threads. Post in one once in your life and you'll see. What should be troubling for you is that you only notice my negative posts. Hope you don't live your life only noticing the negative in everything else too. That would suck.

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So I ask a question, to which you respond with an insult. Seems about right...

You started a thread about the fact that the basketball coach isn't ripping the guys a new one, thus he isn't a good fit to run the program. He MUST act like Calipari to be successful and anything less will cause us to lose basketball games. The entire premise of your argument is illogical.

Also, that is probably why I miss your comments in game threads. I choose not to read game threads as some go WAY past the reservation during games and become way too emotional. I suffer from the same problem, so I choose instead to try and avoid them while the game is being played.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

omfg how many more times y'all gonna say this? We recruit like Auburn yet we coach like Mississippi University for Women. You like that better? The Kentucky part I want us to copy is the head coach getting on his players and FORCING them to become better. They all sign up for that and they all love it. Calipari has made many millions for many players many times over by doing and being that type of coach. Not by being a coach that has zero technicals in two years. Howland isn't coaching like the guy we all thought we were getting right now. He is being too reserved and too nice. We don't need or want the most likable head coach ever.

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Has nothing to do with Cal yelling. A lot of them would be making millions at 18 if they didn't have to go to school for a year. We have 0 players of that quality.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ok and you're completely glossing over my point of this thread. Howland is recruiting like Wisconsin (you like that better?) but he's coaching like he's the head coach of the Snowflake Sisters University. I am shocked he doesn't include "pretty please with a cherry on top" everytime he asks a player to do something.

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Ugh, UK has 3 of the projected Top 14 draft picks in the upcoming NBA draft. My mother-in-law could coach that team.