DD Bowie leaning away from UM

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yes and they're JUCO's. Meaning that IF they pan out we're only going to get a year and a half of optimal production out of them. And we're having to go JUCO heavy because of this coaching staff's failure to close on NSD.

And what about the secondary, WIDE RECEIVER, OFFENSIVE LINE, and special teams- all of which have underperformed for the most part.

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Lewis, Simmons, spencer, green, Thomas, Adams, Washington, jung, jones, and Thompson were all 4* on at least one site if I'm not mistaken

Must be a Blue day.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Listen to the key words this kid said in terms of State.

"I feel like I would go to Mississippi State and compete for a starting spot," he said. "Do what I gotta do, go to class and I think I'd get drafted in the NFL."

Basically he is saying that at OM he really will not have to compete and he wouldn't really have to go to class BUT he knows fromState coaches and current State players that coming to State means hard work.

I'm with Mullen on this in that I only want guys who know they are going to have to grind. Entitled guys now matter how talented will not benefit us. They will only destroy the culture of our program.

It was this culture of hard work that allowed a team that lost to S. Alabama to keep fighting and win back the Egg and win another bowl game. Lesser programs would have folded halfway through the season.

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I think you need both talent and hard workers and then you have them play off of each other. Ole Miss made it to the Sugar Bowl even though they didn't work as hard as our guys for a reason. Yeah- they cheated and that was part of it, but they also had guys that could make plays.

I think if you have too many guys that are entitled then I think eventually you are right things will cave in- like Ole Miss this year and probably going forward. But if you don't have enough talent then you also have a more difficult time matching up against the other teams in the SEC.

So, there has to be a balance between the two. We need some guys with some swag. BAD.

There's some smoke here. For the record I don't expect a FSU offer.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lewis, Simmons, spencer, green, Thomas, Adams, Washington, jung, jones, and Thompson were all 4* on at least one site if I'm not mistaken

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Great. And how many of those guys have actually performed up that level so far? Simmons and Lewis. The rest remain to be seen. Plus several of those guys are going to be stuck behind the JUCO's because of Dan's play the upperclassmen the majority of the time policy except in rare instances.

We need more than a front seven even though yes that is an important part of the team. We need to be a more complete team throughout the recruiting process and not be good at 2-3 spots and then terrible at the other spots on the team.

He's not getting FSU offer. If he decommits, MSU is in a great spot. Let's make sure he OVs

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

There's some smoke here. For the record I don't expect a FSU offer.

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What are we recruiting him as?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

What are we recruiting him as?

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We'll definitely let him prove he can't play WR before he tries anything else.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

There's some smoke here. For the record I don't expect a FSU offer.

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Now you have my attention. I think we're both in agreement that an OV would mean that there really is something to this possibly.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think you need both talent and hard workers and then you have them play off of each other. Ole Miss made it to the Sugar Bowl even though they didn't work as hard as our guys for a reason. Yeah- they cheated and that was part of it, but they also had guys that could make plays.

I think if you have too many guys that are entitled then I think eventually you are right things will cave in- like Ole Miss this year and probably going forward. But if you don't have enough talent then you also have a more difficult time matching up against the other teams in the SEC.

So, there has to be a balance between the two. We need some guys with some swag. BAD.

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Of course you want as much talent as you can have but you will never out talent Bama and LSU. There is a reason why OM could beat Bama but failed to take the next obvious step in actually winning he SEC West.

I'll take the kid if he knows he is going to have to work hard but we don't need any more Quay Evans or John Michael Hankerson types. How much of the coaches time and energy do these knuckle heads take up? No thanks. Make sure they know what they are getting into from the jump.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

There's some smoke here. For the record I don't expect a FSU offer.

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Nice. Get him on campus and anything can happen

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Of course you want as much talent as you can have but you will never out talent Bama and LSU. There is a reason why OM could beat Bama but failed to take the next obvious step in actually winning he SEC West.

I'll take the kid if he knows he is going to have to work hard but we don't need any more Quay Evans or John Michael Hankerson types. How much of the coaches time and energy do these knuckle heads take up? No thanks. Make sure they know what they are getting into from the jump.

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Or Josh Robinson and Bear Wilson. We don't want any more of those.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Our front 7 on defense is loaded with 4*s... got more coming this time

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yes it is butt,sirmon will still be coaching them.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Or Josh Robinson and Bear Wilson. We don't want any more of those.

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Please remind me of how highly recruited JRob and Bear were because I forgot.

Anyone know why he doesn't have an fsu offer? Just no room for him in their class? From his comments, I gather that we will have a chance at him if they don't offer

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Originally Posted by RC3

Anyone know why he doesn't have an fsu offer? Just no room for him in their class? From his comments, I gather that we will have a chance at him if they don't offer

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I think he's offer fishing instead of being honest on committing if they offer. FSU is on other kids.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Please remind me of how highly recruited JRob and Bear were because I forgot.

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So we only want a player with swag if they don't have any other power five offers. That's sounds very Hevesy. Robinson would have had some if he wasn't an academic risk and Bear certainly would have had them if he had been playing football longer. We can't make a living beating the bushes and letting the other talented players go off to other places and best us.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think he's offer fishing instead of being honest on committing if they offer. FSU is on other kids.

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Hopefully offer fishing to get the hell away from Ole Miss and not offer fishing to play the recruiting game. Unless he has one from us already.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Please remind me of how highly recruited JRob and Bear were because I forgot.

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And to add- the fact of the matter is if you look at MSU and Ole Miss since 2013 we've had almost identical success on the field doing it both ways. I picked 2013 because that was the first year that Freeze and Ole Miss got their 2013 class that ran concurrently with how we do things. Biggest difference is our style is more sustainable only because it doesn't lead to crippling probation. It doesn't change the fact that of we don't bring in more talent we won't advance much beyond what we already have which is better than probation but also not reaching our ceiling. We need to add talent to the work ethic blue collar guys to reach our ceiling. The blue collar hard working guys will need to help keep the talented guys in line and hopefully the swag guys can elevate the blue collar guys level of play.

See Deion Sanders when he joined the 49ers in 1994.

He would be 100 percent committed to OM if it were not for the uncertainty with the NCAA. The effects of the uncertainty is hurting their recruiting worse than the actual punishment will. I hope this goes on another 2 years before they announce sanctions and penaltys.

I will say this... if we would really push the NCAA stuff with him and recruit him really hard then we would get him. Will we do that? Not sure.