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11-23-2016, 10:43 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by smootness

The hysteria over Mullen shopping himself all over the country is one of the most bizarre fan-created things I've seen. His name is mentioned often for good open jobs because many around the country see a young, 'up-and-coming' coach having success at a place like State and think, 'He's a good candidate to want to move up,' so they throw his name around for a bunch of openings. Then our fans freak out, assume he's trying to leave, get pissed at him, and start to see things like him not screaming at everyone on the sideline as further proof that he's gotten complacent and doesn't care about State's success anymore.

It's stupid. The guy is more invested in State being successful than any of us.

He has interviewed with other schools- that is indeed trying to leave. Its not fan hysteria anything. Just because his interview wasnt televised doesnt mean it didnt happen. There will be alot of movement the next couple of weeks. We'll see what shakes out. Right now all is quiet
11-23-2016, 10:47 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

The hysteria over Mullen shopping himself all over the country is one of the most bizarre fan-created things I've seen. His name is mentioned often for good open jobs because many around the country see a young, 'up-and-coming' coach having success at a place like State and think, 'He's a good candidate to want to move up,' so they throw his name around for a bunch of openings. Then our fans freak out, assume he's trying to leave, get pissed at him, and start to see things like him not screaming at everyone on the sideline as further proof that he's gotten complacent and doesn't care about State's success anymore.

It's stupid. The guy is more invested in State being successful than any of us.

Yep. The "shopping himself around" is on the same level as "meddling in the defense". Both are likely untrue.

This will be a very unpopular comment, but if several of our vocal message board guys would be less worried about showing their power and sources, and more worried about the continued success of MSU football....we'd have far fewer of these growing false narratives out there about Mullen. Sorry if that offends some, but it needs to be said imo.
11-23-2016, 10:48 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

He has interviewed with other schools- that is indeed trying to leave. Its not fan hysteria anything. Just because his interview wasnt televised doesnt mean it didnt happen. There will be alot of movement the next couple of weeks. We'll see what shakes out. Right now all is quiet

Miami....He talked to Miami. That's it. This whole, "Dan is shopping around" crap is more false narrative created by our own fan base. The only school he's talked to is Miami. Hell, I can't blame him. That's a ticket to the NFL, which is what he's really more interested in anyway.
11-23-2016, 10:52 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. The "shopping himself around" is on the same level as "meddling in the defense". Both are likely untrue.

This will be a very unpopular comment, but if several of our vocal message board guys would be less worried about showing their power and sources, and more worried about the continued success of MSU football....we'd have far fewer of these growing false narratives out there about Mullen. Sorry if that offends some, but it needs to be said imo.

Cadaver always bringing the "A" game!
11-23-2016, 10:53 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

He has interviewed with other schools- that is indeed trying to leave. Its not fan hysteria anything. Just because his interview wasnt televised doesnt mean it didnt happen. There will be alot of movement the next couple of weeks. We'll see what shakes out. Right now all is quiet

Interviewing is not "trying to leave". I have gone on several "interviews" to see what another company had to offer. Some I turned down when they offered or asked for a second interview, some I kept going bc I was interested and wanted to explore the opportunity more. Only a few interviews were bc I was "trying" to get out. Wanting to see if something might be a good fit for your family and financially, doesn't make you a bad person or mean that you hate your job.
11-23-2016, 11:06 AM
Token Bammer

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

I have already seen one... Arizona

Big step down imo .
11-23-2016, 11:14 AM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. The "shopping himself around" is on the same level as "meddling in the defense". Both are likely untrue.

This will be a very unpopular comment, but if several of our vocal message board guys would be less worried about showing their power and sources, and more worried about the continued success of MSU football....we'd have far fewer of these growing false narratives out there about Mullen. Sorry if that offends some, but it needs to be said imo.

Testify Cdawg!
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CadaverDawg again.
11-23-2016, 11:17 AM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by basedog

Don't believe everything you have heard. I can tell you what I was told about his wife talking to Mullen but maybe later when things settle down. There is more going on than the so call "in the rumor mill". And yes I have two folks in the know.

Didn't say I believed it, the other poster said he hadn't seen his name up for any this year. I saw an article saying "Zona.

Not sure if still true but Mrs. Mullen had/has no desire to leave Starkville except for one place, and it ain't open or gonna be open.

She might have changed her mind after this year, and the shit that's been said.
11-23-2016, 11:21 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Good post C Dav

It's good to hear Mullen say that. As I've been saying, this year has sucked but it hasn't been a waste. Replacing Dak and finding young playmakers was critical for the future and we've done that. That along with what should be a solid recruiting class coming in and your rival going on probation leads me to believe we are actually headed in the right direction. We've just got to get back to physical football on both sides.

Glad to hear that Mullen sounds excited about the future.

Who's gonna block? We still haven't figured out that. And until we do, nothing else really matters. Are we going to break up the #CountryClub? If we don't, this doesn't get much better. We're spinning our wheels until we fix those two problems.
11-23-2016, 11:27 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Who's gonna block? We still haven't figured out that. And until we do, nothing else really matters. Are we going to break up the #CountryClub? If we don't, this doesn't get much better. We're spinning our wheels until we fix those two problems.

Very good question. If Bammer struggles a little when they turn over 3 starters on the Oline including a center (and they do some), just imagine what it will be like for us. Hopefully someone has been practicing at center for a good while and isn't just now starting (as Claiborne did 2 years ago).

I can tell some in this thread probably love using the song "Don't Stop Believing" in the 4th quarter. Well, it's the 4th quarter and they still be believing.

ETA: It's taken all year to get this Oline to start blocking reasonable and 3 of the 5 (including Claiborne) started last year and, with exception of Rankin, everyone else played a good bit. SMH at folks just looking at skill position players on O.
11-23-2016, 11:35 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

The problem with wholesale changes is that it virtually assures that we will stink next year. You have to remember that players are human beings & not robots & that change is difficult & bumpy. My guess is you'll see a couple of changes & that's about it.

One thing to remember is that you don't know these people &, as fans, we can guess what's wrong but we really have no clue. Honestly, I realize the defense is the worst in MSU history, but we have to remember that Mullen hired Sirmon because he believes he possesses the ingredients & knowledge to be an elite DC. If Mullen still believes that & believes that this year's defense was a result of other, uncontrollable factors, then I hope he keeps Sirmon. You can't just fire people to fire people or because your upset, you fire people when you truly believe that you have better options & that the program is better off without that person.

Exactly! Here's a video that I posted elsewhere, of Urban Meyer speaking at a coaches' clinic at Mississippi State:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nHlZWoPvy4&t=424s

It's easy for fans to say "fire so and so" when things are going bad. It's harder to take the time necessary to find out why things were bad and fix those issues. In most cases when things go bad, there is a lack of trust, whether that is between players or between the players and coaches. The defensive staff was completely turned over in the off season. Every coach on the defensive side of the ball is new to these players, and they have never coached with one another before.
11-23-2016, 11:38 AM
Tbonewannabe

I hope Dan is here next year and is fully invested in recruiting his ass off. One thing that a lot of teams struggle with is QB development and with Dan we don't really have to worry about that. If he cuts some of the dead weight off of the Offensive side then we could really take the program higher. We really need to take advantage of UNM having their hands tied with the hammer about to drop. I wish he would take that next step and compete with Bama but if not then he is building up a good foundation of bowl wins and being consistent. That is enough for me right now. Getting embarassed by Auburn, Bama, and Ark are not ok.
11-23-2016, 11:39 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. The "shopping himself around" is on the same level as "meddling in the defense". Both are likely untrue.

This will be a very unpopular comment, but if several of our vocal message board guys would be less worried about showing their power and sources, and more worried about the continued success of MSU football....we'd have far fewer of these growing false narratives out there about Mullen. Sorry if that offends some, but it needs to be said imo.

When a narrative is false- it will be treated as such. When something has been confirmed by 4 different people in different parts of the country- I'll take that as truth.
11-23-2016, 11:41 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I hope Dan is here next year and is fully invested in recruiting his ass off. One thing that a lot of teams struggle with is QB development and with Dan we don't really have to worry about that. If he cuts some of the dead weight off of the Offensive side then we could really take the program higher. We really need to take advantage of UNM having their hands tied with the hammer about to drop. I wish he would take that next step and compete with Bama but if not then he is building up a good foundation of bowl wins and being consistent. That is enough for me right now. Getting embarassed by Auburn, Bama, and Ark are not ok.

I agree
11-23-2016, 11:45 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Who's gonna block? We still haven't figured out that. And until we do, nothing else really matters. Are we going to break up the #CountryClub? If we don't, this doesn't get much better. We're spinning our wheels until we fix those two problems.

Devils advocate- Calhoun, story, Jenkins, and rankin have all been solid the last four games and will all be back.
11-23-2016, 11:47 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Miami....He talked to Miami. That's it. This whole, "Dan is shopping around" crap is more false narrative created by our own fan base. The only school he's talked to is Miami. Hell, I can't blame him. That's a ticket to the NFL, which is what he's really more interested in anyway.

He also talked to Georgia and Maryland
11-23-2016, 11:50 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Interviewing is not "trying to leave".

When you are making calls to other coaches gauging interest in working on your staff at said college- that is looking to leave. Dan Mullen thought he had landed the Miami job last year and then got Richted. Miami did however like the idea of Diaz who was supposed to come with Mullen- and slid him on in with Richt.

This is a new year- we'll see what happens
11-23-2016, 11:52 AM
thf24

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Devils advocate- Calhoun, story, Jenkins, and rankin have all been solid the last four games and will all be back.

Given that we've got these guys returning, I doubt we'll be a whole lot worse, if at all. The main concern will be replacing Senior. People can say all they want about his consistency or upside, but he wasn't a four year starter in the SEC for nothing and will be hard to replace.
11-23-2016, 11:53 AM
lamont

And as I said- its been quiet lately. Bounds probably summed it up best- Mullen picked a bad year to go 4-8
11-23-2016, 11:58 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by thf24

Given that we've got these guys returning, I doubt we'll be a whole lot worse, if at all. The main concern will be replacing Senior. People can say all they want about his consistency or upside, but he wasn't a four year starter in the SEC for nothing and will be hard to replace.

QB = better
RB = better if for nothing else than Dan can't use Shump or Holloway in the wrong role
WR = worse just from losing Ross
Oline = maybe slightly worse or even
TE = better with experience

Dline = worse from losing a lot of experience
LB = better from experience and Richie not being a fit for this defense
Safety = ? McLaurin should be better but losing Coman might be worse and Bryant playing more could make it worse
Corner = ? Should be better. Can't be much worse and we return pretty much everybody

Hopefully it will be the 2nd year in the same defensive scheme and everyone won't be thinking so much and just reacting.

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