Sunday Morning QB- Houston We Have A Problem Edition

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

I said elsewhere, Mullen's stubbornness will preempt that. No changes needed says The Mule. As he will say all season. And offseason.

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I'm afraid you are correct.

Exactly.

I fear that if we went with Dalk, we would run the same sets and our scheme would not change. That is concerning.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If a change is made to insert Dakota at QB- Mullen will have to make changes to the offense- he would have no choice.

And this week vs Alcorn is the PERFECT time to do it before Auburn in week 3. Gives us two weeks to get ready

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Originally Posted by Coach34

1. Nothing like Opening Weekend. The anticipation, the hope, the excitement. I was so pumped up I got up at 4:30 am and threw an injected pork shoulder on the grill. Smoked it for 3, wrapped it and let it cook another 3. It was so damn good Myron Mixon would have been jealous.

2. I love the new helmets. That looks so much better than that horrid M-State on the helmets. It works much better with maroon than it did on the white helmet. We should never wear a white helmet ever again.

3. We came out on the 1st series and looked like I expected us to. We threw to Perkins, ran the ball well, Tyler was on target, and Morrow got a penalty. That's exactly what I was expecting.

4. Wilson looked good making his couple of grabs, Ross did ok but had a couple of drops. These guys are talented but cant play everydown yet. They dont know wtf to do all the time apparently. Very pleased with our WR recruiting from this past Feb. I'd be ok if Morrow never played another snap- but it looks like he plays because Wilson is still learning how to play WR.

5. We couldnt have been more predictable in short yardage when we brought Dakota in the game for short yardage. By changing QB's, we are supposed to be giving the defense a headache because they have to defend something different. All we did was show them we are about as innovative as a 1980's Mississippi High School football offense.

6. We ran Perkins on 3 straight plays, getting big yardage- and he was gassed. Do we sub? Oh hayyyyle naw. We leave him in gassed, and then get him out in the pass route- Tyler stares him down the whole way, throws it, tipped ball and a pick to kill a great drive. Why not sub? That's coaching. Why throw the ball to him? That's Tyler locking on to a receiver for some reason and not looking at the other two guys that were open. It appears he threw to Perkins because that was his primary, or he has been the one open on that play in preseason practice. In no way, shape, form, or fashion did he read the coverage and throw to the open WR.

7. After the tipped ball INT, then throwing the ball behind Jameon on 3rd down to kill the next drive- Russell wasnt the same QB. Maybe it was a concussion, maybe it was lost confidence, but he wasnt the same after that.

8. Defensively, we brought the juice. We are very improved on defense. And even though we sustained a few injuries, we still played well and got after people. We played alot of guys on D. We were in position, we blitzed well and made plays. This is what we were all looking for on D. We held Ok State to their lowest output since 2010.

9. The preseason hype on Wells was spot-on. He played a helluva game until he twisted his ankle.

10. Sorry to see Hughes go down for the season. He was playing well. Tough break in the 1st game when you finally get your turn to start full-time

11. Dee Arrington woke up. Good to see him contributing and looking good.

12. The DL looked much better. We got after them and punched them in the mouth. The only thing they hurt us at all with was the zone read out of the diamond.

13. I spoke of innovation earlier, or lack of on our part. Not Ok State- they brought out the diamond formation and ran the zone read out of it. Why was this brilliant? Because it was a new wrinkle to the zone read-a lead blocker. OL double teams the DT, lead blocker leads up inside on LB, DE has to decide to tackle the TB or QB. They outnumbered us at the point of attack. ****ing brilliant Gundy. If Mullen doesnt install that this week and next to get ready for Auburn- he is an idiot. It will take people all season to figure out how to defend it. And it has some neat passes out of it- you are only limited by your imagination.

14. JRob should be getting more carries. This is getting ridiculous. Everybody sees this but Mullen. Perkins- 16 carries-50 yards. JRob- 8 carries-48 yards. How much longer do we just keep wasting him?

15. OK State showed us that even really good WR's can be stopped with a good defense when you dont have a mobile QB. Ok State hurt us when they stuck with the mobile QB. I know people love Tyler, and Tyler does some things very well at QB- but it's time for a change. Dakota is not as good of a QB as Tyler is right now- but he would perform better in our offense under Mullen than Tyler will. Our offense looks like shit with Tyler at QB against any defense with a pulse. Tyler played over 2 1/2 quarters- 1 FG attempt. Dakota played 1 quarter and change- 1 FG attempt. It's time to go back to the offense we ran in 2010, grind up yards and clock, and throw the ball less because of our inexperience at WR. We dont need to depend on this WR group to carry our offense. We need to rely on our RB's and our mobile QB. Dakota can make enough throws to keep the offense moving and do some things that Relf couldnt. We are spinning our wheels and wasting our ****ing time with what we are trying to run on offense right now. #TeamDak

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I am a Tyler homer but there needs to be a change. Dak has the speed needed as well as a throwing arm. Offensive play calling is horrible and need immediate improvements. The coaches had all summer to prepair for this game and it was shameful. Defense is very good but cannot withstand three and outs without gassing. More JRob and please use Wilson's 6' 5" to our advantage.

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Originally Posted by DapperDawg

#8 is incorrect. The worst team in the Big 12 (Kansas) gave up 20 to the Pokes last year. OSU just doesn't get up for shitty teams. They dominated us, plain and simple.

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that game was in a monsoon

1st 10 seconds shows you all you need to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMjwUZEScg

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

I agree with most of those assessments but if Tyler got that initial concussion on that first helmet to helmet hit when he slid and the OSU player launched at him that would make sense. We should have taken him out then.

As far as everyone being hard on the OLine, they stacked the box. It's hard as heck for an OLine to comsistantly block an eight man front. They are a much more aggressive defense then they were last year hence the DC change. With that schedule they have, OSU will be undefeated at the end of the season. I think everyone is panicking a bit too soon. Everyone will look silly if we end up being 3-1 when we play LSU which I still think is a big possibility. Things look bad on offense right now BUT the problems are easily fixable.

I just don't get the visciousness of all of our fans. We are better then this. I have seen just incredibly shitty and viscious commentary by MSU fans on all of our boards and I think it needs to stop. It does not do anybody any good.

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There were many Black Bear fans who felt the same way a LONG time about Nutt. Fans have every right to be ticked off. This looks like nothing less than the continuation of what sucked sweaty balls on offense last year. That is on our coaching staff, period! I have been a HUGE Mullen fan since day one, until I realized last year that that BS we pulled early last year was actually what the staff wanted and continued to run ALL year. We have picked up just where we left off last year on offense.

Doesn't take an Einstein to realize "insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result." This is Mullen's job. In your job, if you under-perform for the last 2 quarters of a business year, see it manifest in a huge drop in revenue, then continue to employ the same tactic, do you REALLY think you deserve to keep your job?

If it's Les, then it's also Dan. Dan is the boss. The buck stops with Dan. He made the right decision to correct our problems on defense, handing the reigns to someone who can do the job. But he has utterly failed us on offense. I wouldn't be so pissed if he'd at least tried something different than the failed tactics from last year. But to run that same shit out there this year, when it was clear to anyone & everyone with half-a-brain that IT DOESN'T WORK, is UNACCEPTABLE!

Dan, I love what you accomplished for us here in the first 3 years, but man, you have GOT to get your shit together and make some changes. You are the man. It's you. Ask yourself if you'd hire an "offensive guru" who produces the crap we've been producing since last year? 3 MISERABLE POINTS AGAINST ONE OF THE WEAKER DEFENSES IN A BCS CONFERENCE! 3 POINTS!!!!

That's the kind of shit that gets people fired. You really want to keep rolling that shit our week-after-week? Every time you do, you lose more of your support from the fanbase. You will NEVER have it this good again. Show us you are up to the task. DO SOMETHING!

"TeamDak"

I'm glad you are finally behind me on this Coach, I knew you were already, but good to see you finally say it.

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Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog

Exactly.

I fear that if we went with Dalk, we would run the same sets and our scheme would not change. That is concerning.

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Yeah, also the one group that is getting a pass is the OL, they looked terrible. If anything, they looked worse than last year which I didn't think was possible.

Yesterday was a culmination os the past two years, and Mullen trying to get away from made him successful at Utah, FL, and his first two years at MSU.

Also, where is Goat's dumbass ready to sing Tyler's praises.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

There were many Black Bear fans who felt the same way a LONG time about Nutt. Fans have every right to be ticked off. This looks like nothing less than the continuation of what sucked sweaty balls on offense last year. That is on our coaching staff, period! I have been a HUGE Mullen fan since day one, until I realized last year that that BS we pulled early last year was actually what the staff wanted and continued to run ALL year. We have picked up just where we left off last year on offense.

Doesn't take an Einstein to realize "insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result." This is Mullen's job. In your job, if you under-perform for the last 2 quarters of a business year, see it manifest in a huge drop in revenue, then continue to employ the same tactic, do you REALLY think you deserve to keep your job?

If it's Les, then it's also Dan. Dan is the boss. The buck stops with Dan. He made the right decision to correct our problems on defense, handing the reigns to someone who can do the job. But he has utterly failed us on offense. I wouldn't be so pissed if he'd at least tried something different than the failed tactics from last year. But to run that same shit out there this year, when it was clear to anyone & everyone with half-a-brain that IT DOESN'T WORK, is UNACCEPTABLE!

Dan, I love what you accomplished for us here in the first 3 years, but man, you have GOT to get your shit together and make some changes. You are the man. It's you. Ask yourself if you'd hire an "offensive guru" who produces the crap we've been producing since last year? 3 MISERABLE POINTS AGAINST ONE OF THE WEAKER DEFENSES IN A BCS CONFERENCE! 3 POINTS!!!!

That's the kind of shit that gets people fired. You really want to keep rolling that shit our week-after-week? Every time you do, you lose more of your support from the fanbase. You will NEVER have it this good again. Show us you are up to the task. DO SOMETHING!

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Agreed. I've been wondering all morning if our coach doesn't care why in the hell should I? If we aren't trying to win what's the use of showing up, only to have a uneventful experience full of advertisements. That A&M game last year was the most miserable experience I've ever had at DWS.

There is a glaring difference between our baseball and football programs. Cohen will tailor his scheme now to fit his personnel. You have the feeling that Cohen will fix things and he doesn't get complacent. It pisses him off when we lose. Mullen has gotten complacent and comfortable. I didn't hear anything in his postgame interview to tell me different. I don't expect him to get on there and raise hell, but I damn sure didn't expect him to say that we played pretty well and we need to clean things up. That is unacceptable.

Dan just needs to go for it. Has to stop worrying about players making mistakes and needs to get the ball to his playmakers as quick as possible. We don't get the ball to our playmakers. Simple problem with an easy fix. It just takes a change in philosophy to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If a change is made to insert Dakota at QB- Mullen will have to make changes to the offense- he would have no choice.

And this week vs Alcorn is the PERFECT time to do it before Auburn in week 3. Gives us two weeks to get ready

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No changes have to be made to our current system with Dak in. Dak allows us to run the system more effectively because you have no option but to account for him in the running game and his arm is above average. If you watch Dak when he came in, he gives a hard jab step on all passes which freezes the backers and safeties and gives our receivers an advantage.

Now with that being said, Russell could work in the system but he has to be willing to run the ball 5 to 8 times a game to make teams at least think he is going to run. He doesn't have to run for large yardage totals, but just enough to open up other options.

With that said Dak is the best option for our team now and for future growth of our team.

I don't understand why you think you would have to completely change the offense for Dak. Just add some zone read and some option sets. The kid can make every throw TR can. He has a cannon.

I would like to see more 2009 offense with speed sweeps and zone reads. I think that would open us up a bit and make the offense more productive. We need to throw to Perkins out of the backfield more. It has worked a lot with him and it needs to continue, but we get away from it. Also, we need to utilize Malcolm Johnson more. He may be our best weapon at TE/WR.

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Originally Posted by Will James

Agreed. I've been wondering all morning if our coach doesn't care why in the hell should I? If we aren't trying to win what's the use of showing up, only to have a uneventful experience full of advertisements. That A&M game last year was the most miserable experience I've ever had at DWS.

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No shit! I'm not to sure just yet, but right now I'm not going to the Alcorn game next week. Because of how pathetic we looked on Offense, it was totally dejecting. Especially how pathetic we were on O last year.

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Originally Posted by It_Could_Happen

I don't understand why you think you would have to completely change the offense for Dak. Just add some zone read and some option sets. The kid can make every throw TR can. He has a cannon.

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I'm not saying we would have to change the entire offense for Dak. I'm saying we could cut the passing offense and prep time down by half at practice and work on the zone read more- and plays associated with it. We need to spend more time at practice working the run game and refining it for Dakota so our offense will be more productive

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Originally Posted by DapperDawg

#8 is incorrect. The worst team in the Big 12 (Kansas) gave up 20 to the Pokes last year. OSU just doesn't get up for shitty teams. They dominated us, plain and simple.

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You and I weren't watching the same game. We're going to hold them to their lowest point total for the season. And we did it indoors on turf.

If you told me that OK State was going to only score 21 points during our game, I would've wagered everything I own that we would've covered that spread and I would've bet quite a bit on us to win.

What a piss poor offensive game by us. Embarrassing.

"What a piss poor offensive game by us. Embarrassing."

No kidding. I don't know what the exact split of offensive responsibilities are between Mullen, Les, and whoever else, but the current system is not working and has got to change.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

No changes have to be made to our current system with Dak in. Dak allows us to run the system more effectively because you have no option but to account for him in the running game and his arm is above average. If you watch Dak when he came in, he gives a hard jab step on all passes which freezes the backers and safeties and gives our receivers an advantage.

Now with that being said, Russell could work in the system but he has to be willing to run the ball 5 to 8 times a game to make teams at least think he is going to run. He doesn't have to run for large yardage totals, but just enough to open up other options.

With that said Dak is the best option for our team now and for future growth of our team.

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Well Russell ran it yesterday about 4 or 5 times and 2 of those ended up with nasty blows to the head. The first one likely affected his play the rest of his time in there and the second one knocked him out. So running Tyler carries a lot of risk to it because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he does run.

As a coach who runs the same basic offense Meyer/Mullen ran at their three stops together and *cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough* first couple years here, I can say with confidence that what we saw for most games last season and yesterday's abysmal offensive product, I will tell you all that it is NOT in any shape, form or fashion the offense Mullen started here with.
You look at Koenning's past and Mullen's past experience, and you can tell pretty quick where this woeful offense comes from - Les Koenning. I really had hoped Mullen would have done some soul searching and taken back the reins, but I believe one of a couple things:
- Mullen never liked that offense with Meyer a d what we see is his true desire for an offense
- Les is there because someone above Mullen has told him he is to stay on the offense
- Mullen was never the offensive genius we thought he was, a d was merely a pawn that Meyer controlled to run specifically what he wanted on offense.

.....because there is no explanation for what we all saw on Saturday. After the second half of a season we had last year and bowl, AND to start off in a national setting with such a terrible offensive performance makes no sense

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well Russell ran it yesterday about 4 or 5 times and 2 of those ended up with nasty blows to the head. The first one likely affected his play the rest of his time in there and the second one knocked him out. So running Tyler carries a lot of risk to it because he doesn't know how to protect himself when he does run.

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Running anyone carries a lot of risk. Relf got his bell rung a few times every year if you remember. Tyler only ran it once on a design run and picked up 15 yards on it. The other runs were scrambles and it was his own damn fault on the first hit to the head and the second one was just regular football play that could happen to anyone.

What I'm saying is if Russell continues to be the quarterback we need him to run the freaking offense as designed. The majority of the runs with Perkins are read option calls that Russell just hands off no matter what.