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10-15-2016, 11:44 AM
lamont

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We don't have talent on the roster at OT, outside WR, or CB.

agree 100%- and in today's college football-thats a death sentence
10-15-2016, 11:46 AM
dawgday166

One thing that won't change tho is losing in final moments of games. It's like we never have practiced a hurry up offense. Or making a game winning FG. And the play calling always sucks. Does Dan know that the clock doesn't stop unless you get out of bounds or make a first down? Doe he realize that running plays cost you a LOT of time?
10-15-2016, 11:50 AM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If Mullen went out and found a really good O-line coach and recruiter to replace Hev and a dynamic recruiter with southern ties to replace Sallach, I would be willing to give Mullen the final 2 years on his contract.

This and To get a good OL recruit, you have to have an OL coach who the player believes can get him to the next level and a coach he wants to play for, as well. Has Hevesey met this criteria? Nope
10-15-2016, 11:56 AM
Bothrops

I'm of the firm belief that Mullen's winning days are over at MSU. The longer he's here, the more the losses will stockpile. It's better to move on in a new direction next year, rather than pawning off 2018 as well, because of a first year coach.

In other words, we won't be winning shit before 2019, if we hang on to Mullen this year.
10-15-2016, 11:59 AM
WSOPdawg

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

There is no question you are correct here. It's a matter of what we do about it.

I think Mullen deserves one year to correct it. He better hope the JUCOs pan out. We have some promising young players but yeah, like you said, not as many as 2013. The JUCOs will be playing for Mullen's job.

Taog, does giving a floundering coach an extra year to correct EVER really work, or does it just kick the can down the road for another year or two? I can't think of another coach at another university who managed to turn it around and be a consistent winner, but I'm sure there are some. I'm just not spending a lot of brain cells on this b/c I'm so pissed at Mullen for letting our program get in the position it is in.

He came in with that "fire in the belly" but his constant looking to upgrade jobs during the past few seasons were obviously used against him and his recruiting suffered.
10-15-2016, 12:14 PM
Taog Redloh

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

Taog, does giving a floundering coach an extra year to correct EVER really work, or does it just kick the can down the road for another year or two? I can't think of another coach at another university who managed to turn it around and be a consistent winner, but I'm sure there are some. I'm just not spending a lot of brain cells on this b/c I'm so pissed at Mullen for letting our program get in the position it is in.

Some probably have, but yeah it's hard to find one that is similar to Mullen. Most who have are the guys who truly wanted to be at that certain school. That being said, I just think he's earned one more year, for the job he's done so far. Just call me a loyalist I guess.

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Originally Posted by WSOPdawg

He came in with that "fire in the belly" but his constant looking to upgrade jobs during the past few seasons were obviously used against him and his recruiting suffered.

Agreed. This is why I do not defend Mullen anymore. I do think he should stay, but I'm not going to defend him against his own self-induced criticism.
10-15-2016, 12:19 PM
lamont

I agree with Goat.

Mullen has earned enough cred to not be fired-
Whether I support him or not. And there have been some coaches that have turned their programs around again after falling off- Frank Beamer is the poster boy for that. But:

Mullen is looking to leave. He doesn't want to be our Beamer. THAT is what makes all this such a cluster****
10-15-2016, 12:22 PM
IMissJack

OP= Captain Obvious
10-15-2016, 12:24 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I agree with Goat.

Mullen has earned enough cred to not be fired-
Whether I support him or not. And there have been some coaches that have turned their programs around again after falling off- Frank Beamer is the poster boy for that. But:

Mullen is looking to leave. He doesn't want to be our Beamer. THAT is what makes all this such a cluster****

This should be the benchmark statement for all the Mullen leave / stay talk..
With the end result being what's best for both parties involved is that he isn't here next year...
10-15-2016, 12:27 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I agree with Goat.

Mullen has earned enough cred to not be fired-
Whether I support him or not. And there have been some coaches that have turned their programs around again after falling off- Frank Beamer is the poster boy for that. But:

Mullen is looking to leave. He doesn't want to be our Beamer. THAT is what makes all this such a cluster****

Hard to find anything to disagree w here.
10-15-2016, 12:36 PM
Gutter Cobreh

Any word on the Thompson kid? Isn't he supposed to be the savior at QB? Is he still interested?

I may have the name wrong, but I thought there was a dynamic kid lined up to turn this program in the right direction.
10-15-2016, 12:40 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Any word on the Thompson kid? Isn't he supposed to be the savior at QB? Is he still interested?

I may have the name wrong, but I thought there was a dynamic kid lined up to turn this program in the right direction.

He's committed and expected to enroll in December
10-15-2016, 12:48 PM
DogsofAnarchy

I agree with you most of the time Random and I do here but it's not just a crappy recruiting job by BDD. It's a piss poor coaching job by him too. BDD is the one who couldn't hire a real DC because his reputation has gotten so bad. BDD is the one who won't hire a Special Teams coach. BDD is the one who has made us dependent on an all world QB. BDD has changed this offense from physical to finesse, which I absolutely hate. This thing starts and stops with BDD.

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

But the bottom line is that our team was not good enough to beat a 3-3 BYU team. Our team was down 35-0 at home to Auburn with 2 weeks to prepare for it.

This team wont be much better next year. This is totally different from 2013.

In 2013, we had:

A young QB that was showing flashes of greatness
Only 1 Sr starter on the OL
A young RB in J'Rob that averaged 6.0 ypc
A young Derunnya Wilson and Fred Ross
Good young talents on D like Jones, McKinney, Calhoun, Preston, Bennie B, etc.

This team doesnt have that promise.

Fitz has some skills but you dont see the "IT" factor
Aeris is ok at RB- nothing special
Mixon and Dear have some promise- but they wont be what DeRunnya/Ross were
We start 3 Sr's on the OL and We lose alot of DL guys. We will be rebuilding both next year. Thats never a good thing and usually leads to average to sub-par seasons
Leo shows promise- but we obviously dont have the depth there we had in 2013/2014
Nobody we have at CB will ever be as good as Calhoun and Redmond

Country Club Boys and their lazy recruiting. This is where we are for awhile.
10-15-2016, 12:50 PM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If Mullen went out and found a really good O-line coach and recruiter to replace Hev and a dynamic recruiter with southern ties to replace Sallach, I would be willing to give Mullen the final 2 years on his contract.

He has a guy to replace Sallach. Brad Peterson.
10-15-2016, 12:51 PM
maroonwhitedawg3ddd

I agree Mullen shit the bed on this one!! His recruiting deficiency has put us years behind.. smh
10-15-2016, 12:58 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

He has a guy to replace Sallach. Brad Peterson.

Is this a done deal? Really think this could be a huge move for us.

With all the coaching changes that are about to happen in CFB, we have to capitalize and get an oline and rb coach
10-15-2016, 12:59 PM
WSOPdawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Poster

I agree with Goat.

Mullen has earned enough cred to not be fired-
Whether I support him or not. And there have been some coaches that have turned their programs around again after falling off- Frank Beamer is the poster boy for that. But:

Mullen is looking to leave. He doesn't want to be our Beamer. THAT is what makes all this such a cluster****

I think it will all come down to how we close the season with aTm, Bama, Arky & TCUN -- if its 4 blowout losses and we're not competitive and TCUN pummels us something like 49-10, then he's toast imo.
10-15-2016, 01:02 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

I agree with Goat.

Mullen has earned enough cred to not be fired-
Whether I support him or not. And there have been some coaches that have turned their programs around again after falling off- Frank Beamer is the poster boy for that. But:

Mullen is looking to leave. He doesn't want to be our Beamer. THAT is what makes all this such a cluster****

AN EMPLOYEE NEVER EVER EARNS ANY RIGHT WHEN HE TELLS HIS BOSS HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SUCCEES AT HIS CURRENT POSITION !!!!!

Please provide me an example of someone saying "I'll never be able to get that contract signed" "or I'll never be able to win that bid/proposal/etc." and keep their current position? Holy f*cking shit it's not rocket surgery. Mullen has quit on this team and university more times than Engie has been banned. The team knows this, recruits know this and most common sense fans know this. Giving him another year simply delays the inevitable and only puts us farther back, creating a much larger hole to dig out of.
10-15-2016, 01:03 PM
Jarius

It really irks me when I hear "Mullen has earned another year". The hell he has. He was paid very damn well for his success. He is owed nothing. He will be paid very well if he has to leave. We need to do what's best for our program, not what Mullen had "earned".
10-15-2016, 01:13 PM
maroonwhitedawg3ddd

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It really irks me when I hear "Mullen has earned another year". The hell he has. He was paid very damn well for his success. He is owed nothing. He will be paid very well if he has to leave. We need to do what's best for our program, not what Mullen had "earned".

Amen brotha Amen!! He's a millionaire times 20 he'll be just fine I can assure you that!!

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