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10-13-2016, 05:48 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

You sure? Just asking because I'm curious.

Playmaking increase? Or injury?
10-13-2016, 06:02 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lol..He has one int this year and probably less than 5 for his career. That's terrible.

He does lead the team so far this season with 2
10-13-2016, 06:13 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He does lead the team so far this season with 2

He still has less than 5 ints for his career of 4 years playing. For a safety that's mind blowing to me.
10-13-2016, 06:20 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

He still has less than 5 ints for his career of 4 years playing. For a safety that's mind blowing to me.

You holding his 2 years back up time against him? I mean we would all love for him to have a lot more. How many do you think he an average SEC safety should have in a season and over 2-3 years of starting and good back up reps?
10-13-2016, 06:30 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You holding his 2 years back up time against him? I mean we would all love for him to have a lot more. How many do you think he an average SEC safety should have in a season and over 2-3 years of starting and good back up reps?

He's played 3 solid years. He should be in the 8-10 range easily. Teams throw the ball 25 times a game.
10-13-2016, 06:50 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

He's played 3 solid years. He should be in the 8-10 range easily. Teams throw the ball 25 times a game.

10 career interceptions would put him like Top 50 of all SEC DB's, not just safety, since 1976. Banks is tied for 3rd with 16 career Int's. Eric Berry had 14 and is 13th. Dereck Pegus had 12. These are guys who started at least 3 years. I think you are expecting a lot for an average SEC safety.
10-13-2016, 06:57 PM
Todd4State

It’s hard to judge a DB on INT’s alone because a lot of times if they’re really good people won’t throw their direction which cuts down on their INT’s. The best way I have seen and I think this is for NFL players only is to rate them play by play on how they carried out their particular assignment. +2 for a spectacular play, +1 for a good play, 0 for doing their job, -1 for a bad play, and -2 for a really bad play.

Of course, to do that you would have to have someone breaking down the film that knows football very well. It’s not something that Joe Fan could do accurately.
10-13-2016, 07:11 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

10 career interceptions would put him like Top 50 of all SEC DB's, not just safety, since 1976. Banks is tied for 3rd with 16 career Int's. Eric Berry had 14 and is 13th. Dereck Pegus had 12. These are guys who started at least 3 years. I think you are expecting a lot for an average SEC safety.

Just being average would get him 2-3 a year. Heck, hustling to the ball will get you picks. Similar to the pick Saturday
10-13-2016, 07:14 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It’s hard to judge a DB on INT’s alone because a lot of times if they’re really good people won’t throw their direction which cuts down on their INT’s. The best way I have seen and I think this is for NFL players only is to rate them play by play on how they carried out their particular assignment. +2 for a spectacular play, +1 for a good play, 0 for doing their job, -1 for a bad play, and -2 for a really bad play.

Of course, to do that you would have to have someone breaking down the film that knows football very well. It’s not something that Joe Fan could do accurately.

If your a safety it's hard to avoid you. A corner can be avoided not a safety. He's just not that good at safety. However, he's a great person
10-13-2016, 07:18 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

And he's the best we got a and its not close.

Sad!
10-13-2016, 07:23 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

In most positions, I would agree with you, as we typically have low upperclassman talent backed up by even worse underclassman talent. But at safety, I think McLaurin and Bryant have the athleticism to be good, so that is one position where it might actually help for the future.

But I'm not to the point where I think wins are meaningless this season. Our next three games (and probably only our next three games) are still winnable and 5 wins still a very different feeling from 3 wins, and I don't want to enter into next season having lost seven of our last eight games.

But if we lose Friday, then we're probably going 3-9 regardless, and I'd much rather get young guys as much experience as possible, even if it ensures we go 3-9 instead of 4-8.

Agree.
10-13-2016, 09:14 PM
Irondawg

You had to say it but losing Conan does hurt. He's pretty average at best but everyone else has been horrible. McLaurin got smoked a few times Saturday.

It's honestly depressing to watch other games and consistently see tight coverage and people making plays in the ball and then watch us. We just haven't been an athletic, aggressive secondary in a while.
10-13-2016, 09:19 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Just being average would get him 2-3 a year. Heck, hustling to the ball will get you picks. Similar to the pick Saturday

You do realize that 3 in a season is Top 10-15 in the SEC every year. 5-6 INT leads or is in the Top 3 every year. In fact 3 of last 4 years that wins the SEC crown in Int's. You have an inflated idea about how many a safety should have.
10-13-2016, 11:24 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

If your a safety it's hard to avoid you. A corner can be avoided not a safety. He's just not that good at safety. However, he's a great person

I agree and as you probably know I think Coman is below average at safety personally. But I am also trying to be fair to him and no doubt the scheme we play does him no favors.
10-13-2016, 11:48 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

He's hurt. This increases our chances of making plays on the backend

So you are glad one of our players,who gives his all for the team, got injured? Maybe I'm reading this wrong?
10-14-2016, 06:42 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You do realize that 3 in a season is Top 10-15 in the SEC every year. 5-6 INT leads or is in the Top 3 every year. In fact 3 of last 4 years that wins the SEC crown in Int's. You have an inflated idea about how many a safety should have.

I played safety and know exactly how the position goes. 3 interceptions a year is to be expected. Alabama's safety got 3 interceptions last week in one game. An aggressive safety will either cause turnovers or benefit from them
10-14-2016, 06:42 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree and as you probably know I think Coman is below average at safety personally. But I am also trying to be fair to him and no doubt the scheme we play does him no favors.

I agree
10-14-2016, 06:43 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

So you are glad one of our players,who gives his all for the team, got injured? Maybe I'm reading this wrong?

I'm not glad he's hurt I just see the silver lining. And who says he gives his all?
10-14-2016, 08:19 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I played safety and know exactly how the position goes. 3 interceptions a year is to be expected. Alabama's safety got 3 interceptions last week in one game. An aggressive safety will either cause turnovers or benefit from them

I don't care what you played. We are talking just average SEC safety. You are describing an All SEC DB including CB. The second team safety's last year for all SEC had 4. And Elston only had 1 the year before. Fitzpatrick 3 last week was the first of the year. He had 2 in 14 games last year, ironically those 2 came in one game as well. You have an over inflated idea of what an AVERAGE safety should have numbers wise.
10-14-2016, 11:49 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I don't care what you played. We are talking just average SEC safety. You are describing an All SEC DB including CB. The second team safety's last year for all SEC had 4. And Elston only had 1 the year before. Fitzpatrick 3 last week was the first of the year. He had 2 in 14 games last year, ironically those 2 came in one game as well. You have an over inflated idea of what an AVERAGE safety should have numbers wise.

And all of those safeties you've mentioned are aggressive and impact the games. Anddddd they almost have more interceptions in one year than Coman in his entire career. Fitzpatrick has more ints in 1 1/2 years than Comans career. Whomever the second team safety with 4 last year again totals his career. I also wish he was half the safety and impacted the games as Elston.

You were saying?

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