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09-20-2016, 10:45 AM
mic

We have a bunch of backup Sec Rbs top to bottom
And we need to cut bait for sure with one if not 2 of these guys
And if a couple of these guys are SEC backs and they aren't ready yet then we need to cut bait with RB coach
And finally if the staff knew this would be an issue after last year why did we not go out and find a juco back that could give us some productive snaps and carries
#countryclubboys

And with Dear rumor has it Dear knows now that RB is where he can get more touches let's see what if anything is done about it
09-20-2016, 10:46 AM
HSVDawg

Delete....wrong thread
09-20-2016, 10:52 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by mic

We have a bunch of backup Sec Rbs top to bottom
And we need to cut bait for sure with one if not 2 of these guys
And if a couple of these guys are SEC backs and they aren't ready yet then we need to cut bait with RB coach
And finally if the staff knew this would be an issue after last year why did we not go out and find a juco back that could give us some productive snaps and carries
#countryclubboys

And with Dear rumor has it Dear knows now that RB is where he can get more touches let's see what if anything is done about it

Almost a year ago I posted this and we still have no answers:

I'm a bit confused on what is actually happening with our running backs. Shump is Shump and now that we know his limitations, he should be put in a position to play to his strengths going forward. After him it's Lee and Williams and they're not seeing the field. Do we have confidence that either of them will develop into a SEC running back or are they limited as well? Is there problem a physical limitation or is it more of a mental thing with them? After that we have Gibson and he was great in high school, but we don't know how he will pan out. We aren't after any running backs for the current class, but 2017 looks good. Only problem is that is several years away and we need help now. Will we see a Juco running back in the mix to possibly bridge the gap or do we have what we have?

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread...ht=alec+murphy
09-20-2016, 11:12 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Dear is never going to do a damn thing for us until he gives up the ghost at WR and commits full time to being a RB. MFer ain't Percy Harvin. I'm not sure if its on him for being stubborn or on our coaches for trying to either fulfill recruiting promises or they actually think he can play that role. Either way, something's gotta give. Will be the biggest waste of talent in awhile if we can't figure that out by the time he's an upperclassmen.

Dear could do plenty for us at WR. Not as much as he could do at RB, but the main problem is we've got to call his number at WR. Sweeps, bubble screens, whatever.
09-20-2016, 11:46 AM
Bothrops

I don't buy the "Rb's don't know pass protection" excuse. That is a copout, and I'm tired of seeing it mentioned. Fact is, we have 3 or 4 guys that are better at running the ball into traffic than the guy that's been assigned the role. There's simply no sensible explanation to benching 4 guys that need to be getting some game experience.
09-20-2016, 11:52 AM
Political Hack

Dear, doghouse.
Murphy, doghouse for career.
Lee, fumblitis.

No clue about Gibson.
09-20-2016, 11:53 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

I don't buy the "Rb's don't know pass protection" excuse. That is a copout, and I'm tired of seeing it mentioned. Fact is, we have 3 or 4 guys that are better at running the ball into traffic than the guy that's been assigned the role. There's simply no sensible explanation to benching 4 guys that need to be getting some game experience.

I think it's been overblown by both sides of the argument. And I get tired of the it's a copout side blowing it off just as much. But if you couldn't see the instances last weekend of missing assignments and blocks then you are just blinded by what you want to see. And no Holloway is not superior in pass blocking, just his size makes that absurd. But he knows his assignments more consistantly than the others and has the best hands as far as security. Even before the season I stated I wanted Williams to be the feature and still thinks it will happen but he is making glaring mistakes that is severely limiting his ability to get on the field.
09-20-2016, 11:56 AM
LanceHarbor

Doghouse for Career? WTF?

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Dear, doghouse.
Murphy, doghouse for career.
Lee, fumblitis.

No clue about Gibson.

?
09-20-2016, 12:03 PM
fishwater99

Nothing is wrong, Dan won't let them play because he has 2 senior RB's.
09-20-2016, 12:04 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think it's been overblown by both sides of the argument. And I get tired of the it's a copout side blowing it off just as much. But if you couldn't see the instances last weekend of missing assignments and blocks then you are just blinded by what you want to see. And no Holloway is not superior in pass blocking, just his size makes that absurd. But he knows his assignments more consistantly than the others and has the best hands as far as security. Even before the season I stated I wanted Williams to be the feature and still thinks it will happen but he is making glaring mistakes that is severely limiting his ability to get on the field.

We have 6 RBs who have been on campus long enough to reasonably expect them to be able to play. Holloway can do pretty much everything but be bigger than 160 lbs. Shump can do everything but run the ball. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. But then we have Aeris, D Lee, Murphy, and Gibson who can't get on the field. With a streak like this, it seems like a coach should be fired. Either we have been awful in recruiting at the easiest position to recruit to for MSU, or we are doing an awful job with developing players. Out of 5 players over 4 recruiting classes, you completely strike out on finding somebody that can be an everydown back (I say 5 b/c Holloway is capable of doing exactly what he was recruited to do)? That's not bad luck. That's incompetence that somebody needs to answer for (somebody besides Holloway getting killed having to do the job that one or two of the other 5 should be doing).
09-20-2016, 12:10 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

Nothing is wrong, Dan won't let them play because he has 2 senior RB's.

A fumble and two busted plays in only a few times more than that on the field Saturday night for Williams, and you think there's nothing wrong there? Dan's stubborn but he isn't stupid. Favoring upperclassmen is part of the equation no doubt, but it's never the whole story.
09-20-2016, 12:59 PM
Madisonmd

Definitely agree we need playmakers. Just not seeing where a 5-9 , 220+ lb , 4.7 forty WR is helping us? Cause, those are his numbers and his forty was slower than that not too long ago. Maybe thats why he's not playing as much? Dear has not been the same player since his 11th grade yr in HS. He has gained a ton of weight and its really hurt him. A miniature "Dontae".
09-20-2016, 01:04 PM
AROB44

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Dear, doghouse.
Murphy, doghouse for career.
Lee, fumblitis.

No clue about Gibson.

Sure wish I knew what happened here....
09-20-2016, 01:05 PM
HoopsDawg

I would like to see Shumpert as our feature back. Occasionally, motion Dear and Mixon into the backfield as the TB with Shumpert as the blocking back.
09-20-2016, 01:10 PM
dparker

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

But if you couldn't see the instances last weekend of missing assignments and blocks then you are just blinded by what you want to see.

This ^. Before the game I thought it was just an excuse until I saw RB whiffing on blocks left and right. But to the other side of the argument, we need to stop calling plays that require that.
09-20-2016, 01:17 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Madisonmd

Definitely agree we need playmakers. Just not seeing where a 5-9 , 220+ lb , 4.7 forty WR is helping us? Cause, those are his numbers and his forty was slower than that not too long ago. Maybe thats why he's not playing as much? Dear has not been the same player since his 11th grade yr in HS. He has gained a ton of weight and its really hurt him. A miniature "Dontae".

He didn't look that slow last year against A&M. Not much of a sample size, but he looked like a game changer at that time.
09-20-2016, 01:23 PM
StatesboroBlues

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Dear, doghouse.
Murphy, doghouse for career.
Lee, fumblitis.

No clue about Gibson.

Dear is in the doghouse but actually drew the start for the LSU game? This would be so Mullen...
09-20-2016, 01:49 PM
mic

I think Holloway had 5 carries Saturday ...

Once again we don't have a feature SEC back whatwver the reasons are..
And if we do then Knox should be fired last year for not having him ready
The coach speak "learning the system " is just that coach speak .. I think junior college transfer Ballard understood the "complex" offense pretty fast ..

That's why we have to close on these 2 backs this year..
09-20-2016, 01:52 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by mic

I think Holloway had 5 carries Saturday ...

Once again we don't have a feature SEC back whatwver the reasons are..
And if we do then Knox should be fired last year for not having him ready
The coach speak "learning the system " is just that coach speak .. I think junior college transfer Ballard understood the "complex" offense pretty fast ..

That's why we have to close on these 2 backs this year..

That is correct. I've been telling this board for 2 years we don't have Jerious Norwood or Vick Ballard sitting on the bench. Yes, we haven't used Holloway correctly this year, but there are issues with the other guys.

Just need to give the ball to Shump and get Dear, Mixon and Holloway occasional carries.
09-20-2016, 02:02 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic

I think Holloway had 5 carries Saturday ...

Once again we don't have a feature SEC back whatwver the reasons are..
And if we do then Knox should be fired last year for not having him ready
The coach speak "learning the system " is just that coach speak .. I think junior college transfer Ballard understood the "complex" offense pretty fast ..

That's why we have to close on these 2 backs this year..

Kylin Hill and ????

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