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Originally Posted by PassInterference

Yeah that family connection was such a straight shot that nobody signed Denzel in February. Ole Miss picked him up in the summer.

That family is so tight that RN didn't even live with his dad.

Denzel was a big plus for them, but other things were an even bigger plus.

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Make no mistake, without Denzel they do not land Robert. Its not even a discussion.

If you think Freezus signs Robert while Denzel is at another school, you are crazy. Hell I think Freezus played Denzel as much as he did on purpose in order to try and land his brother, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Denzel's playing time become significantly reduced.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Make no mistake, without Denzel they do not land Robert. Its not even a discussion.

If you think Freezus signs Robert while Denzel is at another school, you are crazy. Hell I think Freezus played Denzel as much as he did on purpose in order to try and land his brother, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Denzel's playing time become significantly reduced.

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That argument would fly if Denzel wasn't productive. He was one of their better defensive players last year.

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

That argument would fly if Denzel wasn't productive. He was one of their better defensive players last year.

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Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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Originally Posted by smootness

They won't be for long. That's just where they currently sit. Tennessee is already recruiting better right now than South Carolina really ever has, even under Spurrier.

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Interesting point. Spurrier is no spring chicken and won't coach forever. Curious to see where that program goes when he steps down.

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

Disagree on RN. A talent like that doesn't go play for an inexperienced coaching staff.

Regardless, Tunsil was right up there with Cam to Auburn. Cam was committed to us. Auburn wasn't even on the radar. Zero. Nada. All the sudden Cecil goes to Auburn. Cam didn't even go. And bam he flips to Auburn.

Tunsil was the same deal (except he did go visit at the last minute)..and bam. Nothing legit about that. This time its not po lil Miss'ippi Tate that got pissed on. This one happened to a school whose president is now running NCAA compliance or some such. Good luck with that, fighting hotty toddies.

There is no coincidence that the NCAA is looking at their recent croots as well as guys recruited 2 years ago. There is a lot of dirt out there on Ole Miss. The NCAA is scooping it up. And being under pressure to look relevant, the NCAA is going to act.

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Agree with the gist of your story but just wanted to point out that I'm almost positive Cam Newton never actually verbally committed to us. Yes, we all at one time thought he was ours, but he never actually committed.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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We had a shit ton of defensive players last year that were given opportunities but didn't put up stats. You really think they had better players than Denzel sitting on the bench?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Interesting point. Spurrier is no spring chicken and won't coach forever. Curious to see where that program goes when he steps down.

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I think what Spurrier has done there is incredibly underrated. Sure, Holtz is the one that brought them back to respectability, but it is so hard to win consistently there, and he's taken them to a whole 'nother level.

I think a really good coach could do things there - they are in the SEC, after all, and have gotten national recognition recently. But they better make a good hire because they could also easily slide right back down again.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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It's definitely possible. Check Kaleb Eulls.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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Your Gross example isn't a good one. He's had multiple sports hernias -- and as of 2 weeks ago, they were thinking they might have to medical redshirt him for the whole season. Gross is a very good, very underrated DT that if/when he's completely healthy will be starting again...

And Denzel isn't a good example either.

I think he may have played more initially to spark Roberts interest. BUT he ended up being pretty damn good. I don't see his production or Playing time dropping off.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

......and I wouldn't be surprised to see Denzel's playing time become significantly reduced.

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Am I missing something here? The coaches voted this guy as a 1st team All SEC linebacker.....he is a damn good player (or at least he was last year).

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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Just because you put someone out there doesn't mean that they will be productive. See Cherrington last year.

Anyone who says D. Nkemdichie isn't a good LB in UM's system is just stupid. Was he put in a lot of blitzing opportunities to make plays in the backfield? Sure, but he did make the plays. Do I think he's 1st team All-SEC good? No, but he is a very disruptive LB. He'll play just as much this year as he did last year.

One thing I do think Freeze and his staff purposely did was put Denzel in a lot of situtations to get publicity so that they might attract Robert's attention. For example, when UM had their behind the scenes ESPNU all-access deal last year, the coaches chose Denzel to be the player in front of the cameras showing ESPN around their facilities. How often does a coach choose a Freshman to do something like that instead of an upper classman? I'd say about as often as said Freshman has a brother who is the consencious no. 1 high school player in America. I'm not saying it wasn't smart on Freeze's part to do stuff like that, but I do think that to an extent, he did it to make UM look more appealing for Robert. That's my opinion anyway.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Production is a byproduct of opportunity. Hell their DT Gross had a monster year as far as production, but that doesn't mean he was talented. He isn't even starting this year based on their depth chart, but since he was given an opportunity he put up stats. You think if Quay had gotten 40 snaps a game, he couldn't have put up monster stats?

Lets just see how much playing time he gets this year now that big bro is on campus.

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This might be the dumbest thing ever written on a message board.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Hell I think Freezus played Denzel as much as he did on purpose in order to try and land his brother, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Denzel's playing time become significantly reduced.

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