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Its possible- but until he does something significant, I cant see him getting a top 15 job. He's 1-3 vs Sumlin- not exactly a glowing part of his resumeQuote:
Originally Posted by Thick
If Strong doesnt improve- I expect UT to go after a big, proven name
Smart will be at Georgia at least 5 years. He will be good on defense and recruit well. That will keep him paid. We'll see what he does offensively and if he has learned to let loose on some reigns the way Saban has on that side of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Well..........history shows they come along about once every 60-70 years. You better HOPE what you are hoping for never happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Miss State 1991-2016 has been totally different than before Jackie. It's a new age and we have SEC money. We were one of the bottom 20% moneywise in the 80's- now we are in the top 50% of college football in money and facilities. We pay top 25% to a HC. Its no more woe is usQuote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Our last 25 years shows we can be a force in the SEC and we have had 2 of our top coaches in school history
not only that- our only setback in the last 25 years is Templeton hiring Crooms over Jimbo Fisher. We should have had 3 of our best coaches the last 25 years
There is your history
Your crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
THIS in spades. People need to realize that things are different now and we are one of the better programs in the country. We have a lot of resources that others would envy on a National level and we were in the running for the BCS Playoffs two years ago. Our floor as a program is six wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
The "I just hope we beat Ole Miss and go to the Liberty Bowl once every five years" days are over.
Tom Herman, PJ Fleck, Scott Satterfield, Blake Anderson, and Montgomery at Tulsa. I did that without even mentioning Mark Hudspeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Tom Herman would not come to State. Even if he did I'm not sure he's a better coach than Mullen. Mullen likely could have done the same thing against Houston''s schedule. He beat a Florida State team that didn't want to be in that bowl game other than that his three biggest wins were Memphis, Navy, and Temple. They lost to UConn. Those teams are not Alabama, LSU, (but Memphis DID BEAT) OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Mark Hudspeth would likely have us in the exact same position that OM is in right now. But then again I guess that's why everyone likes him.
I'm not seeing the upgrade in Blake Anderson, Scott Satterfield, PJ Fleck, or Phillip Montgomery. Most are still relatively inexperienced, have not put many big names in the NFL, have not shown an ability to recruit our region any better than Mullen. I'm just not seeing what you are seeing other than just having another guy. Mullen had put numerous big name guys in the NFL as OC and QB coach before coming here. Alex Smith, Aaron Hernandez, Percy Harvin, Tim Tebow, Josh Harris.... This means a lot to recruits.
Yes, State has a new influx of money that it has never had before but then again so does every team that we play in the SEC. Ask Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and South Carolina if having new money automatically transforms their program. The only reason OM is different than they have been before is because they put their money in an "opportunity fund". ***
What Mullen did the first couple of years was solid. You can't ask for much more than that. He's building our program the right way and we are becoming a consistent force in CFB.
Plus, if you go and fire the first coach that has ever gotten you to #1 in school history you can hang it up on ever attracting a serious coaching candidate for the remainder of time that that AD is there and possibly longer because it is a sign that the fan base is out of control.
Give Mullen the credit he deserves.
Nobody is going guarantee any hire would be better than Mullen. There is no way to be certain of that. But Mullen isn't the only coach that can win 7-8 games a year here.
If he leaves- it will be ok. Stop being extreme- NOBODY has said one word about FIRING Mullen
I wish Mullen would stop shopping jobs on us. We have put over 100 million into our facilities and pay him top 20 in the country. I can understand wanting the Georgia job but Miami or Maryland? I don't understand. Until we improve our o line recruiting, we will always be in the 7/8 win range unless we have another Dak Prescott. Seems like Mullen does the hard things extremely well but can't do the easy things if that makes sense. He's done a phenomenal job, but he has his flaws (Hevesy).
The assumption that Mullen is 7-8 win per season coach is only valid you hold his first season against him. Minus hat season his average is 8.3 wins per season with two 9 season wins and one 10 season win. Who else has done that at State in the modern era?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
Yes, Mullen has his flaws. I agree that Hevesy is likely his Achilles heel but there must be a reason why Mullen brought he guy with him from Florida. I trust that if Mullen is a good enough coach to find a Dak at QB when everyone else is projecting him as a TE then he can evaluate his coaches. Personally I don't like messing with the chef's ingredients in the kitchen. You never know how what Hevesy does and how he does it may effect the entire team. Chemistry matters. If the wheels fall off I'm positive that Mullen will take a long look at all his offensive coaches who have been with him for a long time and make the appropriate changes.
As far as him shopping jobs it's a career not a marriage. If it were me I would shop myself around too for several reasons. First, to make sure fans like you know that I am a wanted commodity and don't take me for granted. Two, so that my agent (who is probably the one telling him to interview at these places) will have the leverage to negotiate raises not only for me but for my staff at State. Three, because Miami, Maryland, and Georgia are not Starkville, MS. As much as I love Starkville all of those places provide a better quality of life for his wife and kids. And last, OM was up the road cheating their butts off and beating him with hired guns. If I had to compete on an uneven playing field and was losing to my rival and the NCAA wasn't going to step in I would have left too because once again it's a career.
You mean like get MSU ranked #1 in the nation and go to a BCS-level bowl?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
As you like to say, c'mon mane.
Now, take out the Greatest "LEADER" quarterback out of that percentage and what is his winning percentage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Reason2Succeed- you are adding in bowl wins- I'm talking regular season. And his 1st season does count by the way
Nobody is saying he hasn't done a good job. But we have only seriously challenged for the West title once in 7 years. And that is not going to change until we recruit better upfront. State and Vandy are the only 2 SEC teams without a 4-star OL recruit on their rosters in 2016. OL recruiting has held us back the last few seasons with nothing pointing to that problem being rectified.
That was great to us- but LSU, A&M, USC, Fla State, Texas- the blue bloods aren't going to hire him based on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb
What did Les Miles do at OSU prior to coming to LSU that is comparable to what Dan has done? And remind me of Jimbo Fisher's big accomplishments as head coach? And sumlin winning at Houston is that much more impressive than sustained success at MSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
I don't think Mullen is going to get poached by one of the blue bloods, but it's not because what he has done wouldn't justify it. Especially considering that his biggest weakness, recruiting, would be hidden at a blue blood school and his second biggest weakness (getting conservative in game play) wouldn't be such a weakness once he had comparable talent across the board.
We're going to get some certainty on what Mullen is this year I think, as this should be the floor for the next few years. If he gets to 8 regular season wins, he will have really elevated the program over where it was his first few years. If he wins six, then we will know that he's basically already hit his plateau, and we will continue going forward with regular seasons largely between 6-8 wins, with some occasional surprises thrown in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
That'd be a hell of a 'retirement' job. I don't think Mullen's personality would let him do it at all, but if somebody thought he was a guru enough to pay him a million a year to be a qb coach and help the OC for an NFL team, that'd have to be a hell of a lifestyle improvement over spending off seasons kissing the asses of a bunch of high schoolers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
To add, saban was a 7 win coach at the other msu prior to getting the Lsu jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85