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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If Freeze is just suspended for cheating, shouldn't the university go ahead and fire him because of it? I'm sure they want a clean program and will punish violators accordingly.

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It's complicated and I think what they do will be based on how they do next season. If they have a bad year, they'll throw Freeze's ass under the bus like they did Houston Nutt when he started losing.

Either way I think he is screwed because he will either continue to do well but probably get a show cause or he will lose and get run over by the Rebel bus. If he somehow makes it through unscathed I think he basically becomes the NCAA's next Jackie Sherrill as public enemy number one and the NCAA will just stay around until they nail him. After all of this is said and done I don't think it would take much for that to happen because of the repeat violator rules in place.

If I were Freeze, I would just try to ride it out until the blade falls and then get the rogue boosters to take care of me for the rest of my days. Maybe go coach at Mississippi College or somewhere like that if I just really loved coaching.

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If Freeze is just suspended for cheating, shouldn't the university go ahead and fire him because of it? I'm sure they want a clean program and will punish violators accordingly.

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They won't because they'll martyr him and the narrative will be "self reported", "less than $15K in benefits", "rogue boosters" etc... AND the Network will keep chugging along. AND if all that happens, I'm ready to start "donating" to the MSU cause...

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Originally Posted by PassInterference

Show causes for a few assistants and a suspension for Freeze. Good luck with replacement assistants and no head coach.

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I think that's one reason why they are trying to protect the current staff. The only people that are likely willing to go there while this mess is going on are ex-Ole Miss players and South Panola assistant coaches. No assistant coach with a brain is going to want to go there while all of this going on because they are either going to get caught up in all of this crap or they are going to be looking for a new job because of coaching turnover in a year.

Of course. So what. Show cause means ole miss rejected penalties. Suspension means they are negotiating.

End of the day, they are screwed.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

They won't because they'll martyr him and the narrative will be "self reported", "less than $15K in benefits", "rogue boosters" etc... AND the Network will keep chugging along. AND if all that happens, I'm ready to start "donating" to the MSU cause...

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You're right. I remember back in 1994 after they were on probation they never stopped cheating. In fact, one thing that they did is they just found a lot of Ole Miss legacies like Matt Luke to "walk on" and they had boosters paying for everything under the table which helped soften the lack of scholarship blow.

They'll probably keep cheating again but keep it more local like they did when they were on probation and still landed Rufus French, Deuce, Romaro Miller, and Terrance Metcalf. So, we have to be ready for that because I don't think the NCAA is going to care about Ole Miss as long as they keep their cheating local.

That's one big reason why they are about to get burned. They got away with local cheating but then they decided to take it national and mess with people like Bama, Georgia, and Texas and now they are going to have to pay the piper.

I say O.M. be given a choice to do one of two things:

Choose show cause for Freeze and others or take more severe penalties.

Blow your own brains out or we will.

Let us know.

Sincerely

NCAA

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

If Freeze is just suspended for cheating, shouldn't the university go ahead and fire him because of it? I'm sure they want a clean program and will punish violators accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

Newest on Freezus? I heard Freezus walked on water and fed a few recruits and boosters breakfast with two catfish and five loaves of bread.

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Tweeting about cursing cancer at Blair Batson. Please God, let that be legit and not a PR move.

But it just looks so iffy with him because every time there is bad news, he does something then makes sure to tweet about it.

Go back and look, 9 out of 10 times when he tweets a "message" bad news soon follows.

Again, Please let that not be the case about the kids hospital.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Tweeting about cursing cancer at Blair Batson. Please God, let that be legit and not a PR move.

But it just looks so iffy with him because every time there is bad news, he does something then makes sure to tweet about it.

Go back and look, 9 out of 10 times when he tweets a "message" bad news soon follows.

Again, Please let that not be the case about the kids hospital.

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I was trying to figure out what you were talking about so I took a page out of Hugh Freeze's book and searched "Hugh Freeze" on Twitter and there it is. He cursed cancer. That dude is bonkers.

https://twitter.com/coachhughfreeze/...50168881311744

Here is the Dennis Dodd interview where he discusses the Freeze suspension

https://www.google.com/amp/www.satur...client=safari#

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Tweeting about cursing cancer at Blair Batson. Please God, let that be legit and not a PR move.

But it just looks so iffy with him because every time there is bad news, he does something then makes sure to tweet about it.

Go back and look, 9 out of 10 times when he tweets a "message" bad news soon follows.

Again, Please let that not be the case about the kids hospital.

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For an ex girl's basketball coach, he certainly lacks "court awareness". He must be so insulated in the Oxford bubble that he simply doesn't get it.

I think he is a terribly conflicted person. I believe he got the job at Ole Miss because they knew he'd go along with whatever the Network wanted, but I also think there's a part of him that may feel uncomfortable with it.

He may be the guy that cheats on his wife, feels guilty, and sucks up to his wife as much as possible so she won't think otherwise. However, he can't stop cheating on her because the mistress will taddle on him if he stops.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He may be the guy that cheats on his wife, feels guilty, and sucks up to his wife as much as possible so she won't think otherwise. However, he can't stop cheating on her because the mistress will taddle on him if he stops.

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1. Dodd didn't get this info from Ole Miss. It came from the NCAA. If the NCAA is leaking stuff like this, they are obviously trying to soften the blow when Freeze is suspended, or even receives a show cause. It will come down to how the COI feels about Freeze's involvement. Nothing has been decided, and if anyone tells you that something has been, they are lying.

2. According to the new NCAA head coach accountability rule, Freeze would receive some type of suspension even if his name had never been listed in the NCAA. This is based on the fact that he had 4 current assistant coaches listed in the NOA. That's 4 of his 9 assistant coaches or 44%. Maurice Harris was listed 19 times, Chris Kiffin 6 times and Derrick Nix and Matt Luke were listed once each. That means that Freeze had an assistant coach listed in a NCAA Notice of Allegations 27 times. That's damming stuff.

3. Couple the fact that he had assistant coaches listed 27 times in the NOA with the fact that Freeze himself was listed 6 times and Freeze finds himself on the boarder line of suspension and show cause. The 6 times Freeze was listed aren't pretty either, and all involve disassociated booster Walter Hughes. Once Freeze went to an in home visit with Maurice Harris and Hughes. Once Hughes notified Freeze that a recruit he was transporting had arrived in Oxford, and 4 times Freezes residence was listed when Hughes was attending a breakfast with coaches and recruits on an official visit weekend, the Tunsil, Treadwell, and Nkemdiche OV weekend.

4. With all that said, if a second NOA drops and Freezes name is even listed once, you can bet the house that a Show Cause is in store for Freeze.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're right. I remember back in 1994 after they were on probation they never stopped cheating. In fact, one thing that they did is they just found a lot of Ole Miss legacies like Matt Luke to "walk on" and they had boosters paying for everything under the table which helped soften the lack of scholarship blow.

They'll probably keep cheating again but keep it more local like they did when they were on probation and still landed Rufus French, Deuce, Romaro Miller, and Terrance Metcalf. So, we have to be ready for that because I don't think the NCAA is going to care about Ole Miss as long as they keep their cheating local.

That's one big reason why they are about to get burned. They got away with local cheating but then they decided to take it national and mess with people like Bama, Georgia, and Texas and now they are going to have to pay the piper.

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You nailed it Todd. They don't know how not to cheat and the network is still in action as we speak.

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

1. Dodd didn't get this info from Ole Miss. It came from the NCAA. If the NCAA is leaking stuff like this, they are obviously trying to soften the blow when Freeze is suspended, or even receives a show cause. It will come down to how the COI feels about Freeze's involvement. Nothing has been decided, and if anyone tells you that something has been, they are lying.

2. According the new NCAA head coach accountability rule, Freeze would receive some type of suspension even if his name had never been listed in the NCAA. This is based on the fact that he had 4 current assistant coaches listed in the NOA. That's 4 of his 9 assistant coaches or 44%. Maurice Harris was listed 19 times, Chris Kiffin 6 times and Derrick Nix and Matt Luke were listed once each. That means that Freeze had an assistant coach listed in a NCAA Notice of Allegations 27 times. That's damming stuff.

3. Couple the fact that that he had assistant coaches listed 27 times in the NOA with the fact that Freeze himself was listed 6 times and Freeze finds himself on the boarder line of suspension and show cause. The 6 times Freeze was listed aren't pretty either, and all involve disassociated booster Walter Hughes. Once Freeze went to an in home visit with Maurice Harris and Hughes. Once Hughes notified Freeze that a recruit he was transporting had arrived in Oxford, and 4 times Freezes residence was listed when Hughes was attending a breakfast with coaches and recruits on an official visit weekend, the Tunsil, Treadwell, and Nkemdiche OV weekend.

4. With all that said, if a second NOA drops and Freezes name is even listed once, you can bet the house that a Show Cause is in store for Freeze.

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Agree

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

For an ex girl's basketball coach, he certainly lacks "court awareness". He must be so insulated in the Oxford bubble that he simply doesn't get it.

I think he is a terribly conflicted person. I believe he got the job at Ole Miss because they knew he'd go along with whatever the Network wanted, but I also think there's a part of him that may feel uncomfortable with it.

He may be the guy that cheats on his wife, feels guilty, and sucks up to his wife as much as possible so she won't think otherwise. However, he can't stop cheating on her because the mistress will taddle on him if he stops.

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I think Freeze is delusional. By that I mean I really think on some level that he truly believes that all of their good fortune is because God wanted it to happen because he is a "good Chrsitian" and I think he also believes that he is a really good football coach. He doesn't understand the reality is all of this happened not because God "wanted it to happen to him because he is good or in his words "showed favor" but because they are cheating out the wazoo and he's basically a glorified high school coach with a team of mercenaries that were bought and paid for that anyone with even remedial football knowledge would have won with.

My guess is he justifies it to himself by saying that everyone else cheats on our level too- therefore it's not cheating and they are choosing Ole Miss because of him and his faith based football and the fact that Oxford is a "nice town". Again the reality is while I'm sure the Alabama's and Georgia's are not totally on the up and up either I doubt that they go to the same level that Ole Miss goes with their cheating or they just simply keep it local. Because if Alabama and Georgia were cheating at the same level Ole Miss is those players would have chosen Alabama and Georgia and not Ole Miss. Especially someone like Tunsil who grew up pulling for and leaning towards Georgia for years. If Georgia boosters had given him and his family a house no question he goes to Georgia.

When the reality hits him I think it's going to crush him.

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

1. Dodd didn't get this info from Ole Miss. It came from the NCAA. If the NCAA is leaking stuff like this, they are obviously trying to soften the blow when Freeze is suspended, or even receives a show cause. It will come down to how the COI feels about Freeze's involvement. Nothing has been decided, and if anyone tells you that something has been, they are lying.

2. According to the new NCAA head coach accountability rule, Freeze would receive some type of suspension even if his name had never been listed in the NCAA. This is based on the fact that he had 4 current assistant coaches listed in the NOA. That's 4 of his 9 assistant coaches or 44%. Maurice Harris was listed 19 times, Chris Kiffin 6 times and Derrick Nix and Matt Luke were listed once each. That means that Freeze had an assistant coach listed in a NCAA Notice of Allegations 27 times. That's damming stuff.

3. Couple the fact that he had assistant coaches listed 27 times in the NOA with the fact that Freeze himself was listed 6 times and Freeze finds himself on the boarder line of suspension and show cause. The 6 times Freeze was listed aren't pretty either, and all involve disassociated booster Walter Hughes. Once Freeze went to an in home visit with Maurice Harris and Hughes. Once Hughes notified Freeze that a recruit he was transporting had arrived in Oxford, and 4 times Freezes residence was listed when Hughes was attending a breakfast with coaches and recruits on an official visit weekend, the Tunsil, Treadwell, and Nkemdiche OV weekend.

4. With all that said, if a second NOA drops and Freezes name is even listed once, you can bet the house that a Show Cause is in store for Freeze.

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Soften the blow for who? Ole Miss and Freeze?

Don't forget the falsification of ACT scores that has been discussed at length.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Soften the blow for who? Ole Miss and Freeze?

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The rest of the sporting world that is being lied to by Ole Miss. The Ole Miss narrative has been that Freeze is safe, nothing to see here. That's simply just not true. Freeze is not only fighting for his reputation, but his job too. This isn't the first time the NCAA has leaked something either. The NCAA sees Ole Miss downplaying and lying to anyone and everyone that will listen. They can't do anything about it publicly, but they can leak info to set the record straight.

Ole Miss and Freeze are well aware of what's at stake. They just won't admit it, not even themselves. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

I'll bet as late as a week or week and a half ago the NCAA was still interviewing people. They are nowhere near through with their investigation. Book it Dano! Concerning Freeze, I honestly think he believes in his mind he has done nothing wrong. Some people lie so much they start to actually believe their own lies. He seems to me that is where he is. He has gotten caught doing exactly what he was hired to do. There is no other sensible reason for him to have been hired with his past college experience, none. And he knew the inter workings of the network from being there under Orgeron and working in the recruiting office his 1st year at OM, before being an on the field coach.