Odds Freeze coaches this year

He coaches this Fall 100% UNLESS the NCAA somehow makes it clear that penalties would be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced by offering up Freeze as a sacrificial lamb. Given the UNM attitude during this whole thing though I'm not sure the NCAA is willing to give UNM ANY options at this point that would lessen their punishment.

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Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting

100% and I still think we need to temper our expectations on the severity of the penalties. As bad as it looks now, they still find a way to get out of some of it. That and I fully expect an assistant to take the fall in the end much like the Hud/Saunders situation

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I don't know whats going to happen, but he will 100% coach this year.....and probably 5 more years....I (unfortunately) know more UM info than MSU info due to my job.....I had dinner a few nights ago with a physician from NE MS that knows full well what is going on......I told him, IMO, that its going to be worse than what UM people think, and a whole lot less than what MSU fans (et al) want it to be....he never gives his side in too much detail, but replied to me "i can respect that".....then we went back to talking baseball....

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Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting

100% and I still think we need to temper our expectations on the severity of the penalties. As bad as it looks now, they still find a way to get out of some of it. That and I fully expect an assistant to take the fall in the end much like the Hud/Saunders situation

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Like I have said, if the Bears get off light on this with the perception of their current levels of cheating it will be a clear sign to everyone else that it is open season for cheating as much as you like. I have personally even said that if UNM gets off with a slap on the wrist its time to throw out the NCAA rule book and just make it every man for himself. That would actually be more fair than the situation now where you have a group of schools at least attempting to follow the rules and another group of schools with institutionally embedded practices of cheating.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

He's got about 3 days after the chancellor gives him a vote of confidence.

Anybody be me think its odd, that their has been zero comment from that office?

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I was just about to pose the question. Glad you brought it up. When was the last vote of confidence given publicly by the chancellor's office in support of Freeze?

This sealed deposition request by Freeze should pretty much sum it up to everyone that he's been up to some no good, or at least knows enough about it he doesn't want everyone knowing what he knows...that they're a bunch of damn cheaters and damn liars...

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Originally Posted by BB30

I think it all depends on what all is in the first NOA. Do yall think if there is not much damning evidence in the first NOA the national media will back off the story?

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I don't think so. I think the draft night embarrassment has their attention. If they've reported at all on them, or investigated, they know there is more there than meets the original NOA.

150%

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Like I have said, if the Bears get off light on this with the perception of their current levels of cheating it will be a clear sign to everyone else that it is open season for cheating as much as you like. I have personally even said that if UNM gets off with a slap on the wrist its time to throw out the NCAA rule book and just make it every man for himself. That would actually be more fair than the situation now where you have a group of schools at least attempting to follow the rules and another group of schools with institutionally embedded practices of cheating.

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AMEN! This is cheating on a institutional level that goes through the athletic department. If the NCAA does not come down like the hammer of the gods then college football becomes the wild west and the NCAA will be a toothless tiger.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

He coaches until the end of October. He will then either step aside for personal/family reasons to save face or he will be fired and an interim coach will be placed to finish out the season. I'm of the particular opinion that the chancellor may be negotiating with the NCAA behind Freeze's and Bdork's backs to throw them to the wolves to save the athletic department from an LOIC and severe, program crippling sanctions against football.

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Multiple sports with academic fraud and paying players, I don't see how they could avoid a LOIC. Their program is pretty much the definition of it.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Like I have said, if the Bears get off light on this with the perception of their current levels of cheating it will be a clear sign to everyone else that it is open season for cheating as much as you like. I have personally even said that if UNM gets off with a slap on the wrist its time to throw out the NCAA rule book and just make it every man for himself. That would actually be more fair than the situation now where you have a group of schools at least attempting to follow the rules and another group of schools with institutionally embedded practices of cheating.

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If UNM gets away with a slap on the wrist then it could signify the end of the NCAA and beginning of the new super conferences. I don't see how they could get away with it as much as they pissed off several big time programs that have a lot of influence. If they stuck to just buying off players from MSU then nothing is ever said. They would just claim it is MSU bitching about their rival but when Michigan and Georgia complain then it gets more attention.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Multiple sports with academic fraud and paying players, I don't see how they could avoid a LOIC. Their program is pretty much the definition of it.

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And I'm sure that's what the NCAA is telling the chancellor too. It looks like they'll have to bend over and take it. Any kind of negotiating at this point is just desperation.

100%.

The NCAA is more likely to be exposed for incompetency than Ole Miss being exposed for proof of violations.

Freeze will be the coach this Fall. There will be no discernible affects of the investigation this season.

He will definitely be the coach this year. They know what's in the NOA and would've already removed him if they thought that's what they had to do. You've already seen Texas fire a coach over this. Ole Miss hasn't fired a coach yet - so I don't expect them to. If/when an addendum/second NOA comes out, all bets are off.

100%. Now in 2017, that's a different question.

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

He will definitely be the coach this year. They know what's in the NOA and would've already removed him if they thought that's what they had to do. You've already seen Texas fire a coach over this. Ole Miss hasn't fired a coach yet - so I don't expect them to. If/when an addendum/second NOA comes out, all bets are off.

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Then they would be admitting guilt, personally I don't think the initial investigation covers anything that would include Freeze. Its the ongoing one that will hang him

Until something changes, as in more damning information/actions, I put it at 100%

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner

Be watching to see if he makes a trip to Haiti in a few weeks. If he does, he may mysteriously come down with a fever that he most certainly picked up in Haiti and will then step down for health reasons. The Haitian Fever could then spread throughout the department. People in Oxford will be tricked into wearing TUNSIL GAS masks around town like there is an avian flu pandemic or something.

In all seriousness, this year I think it depends on the war between how all-in he is and his conscience so I'm going to say 95% because I think he's already proven that he doesn't have much of a conscience. Next year it depends solely on NCAA findings because he would have proven that he is all-in and doesn't have a conscience by lasting until next year. I think there is about a 30% chance he's still there at the end of next season.

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Fixed it for you.

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Originally Posted by Martianlander

Fixed it for you.

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Yep. Perfect. +1

I heard Dan Wolken say on Finebaum a couple of days ago that he'd heard UNM was going to reply to the NOA with a denial that they'd done anything wrong.

Paul tried to press a little, but Wolken said he wouldn't reveal more until he published it himself.

He is going to make the Japanese military on Iwo Jima look like mass surrender.