Explain to me the advantage Vandy has in recruiting

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Originally Posted by Alphadog

I have read here that Vandy has some sort of advantage. What is it?

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Nobody else mentioned this, but to add that Nashville is one of the coolest towns in the country.

Yes just in state .

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Originally Posted by Alphadog

But that is just for in state kids right? Sounds like Vandy could get hope for in state kids and the out of state could " qualify" for the low income scholarship

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Even if the scholarship thing was equal to the other schools, Vandy would still have an advantage over other SEC schools because of their outstanding academics. If you were a good student and a baseball player, would you rather go to Vandy ... or Ole Miss? It's a no brainer. And baseball players tend to be pretty good students, at least relative to football and basketball.

I believe MSU, and other schools, can supplement the baseball scholarships with academic ones if they meet the criteria. Is this correct?

Probably easier to qualify for low income at Vandy than at a public school, given what it costs to go there. Very few families can afford their tuition/living expenses.

Vanderbilt Scholarship Advantages

1. Need based scholarship - If a Vanderbilt recruit's parents make less than $103,000 of household income, then the player qualifies for a need based scholarship that makes Vanderbilt free. Dansby Swanson was on this scholarship. Yes, the #1 overall pick in last year's draft, was never on baseball scholarship

2. Minority scholarships - Because Vandy is private & so heavily Caucasian, the school offers "minority scholarships" to minorities with good grades. Yes, Jeren Kendall is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt

3. NAACP Scholarship - 1 Vanderbilt athlete in each sport gets this scholarship. Yes, Roe Coleman is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt.

4. Bullets - Vanderbilt made a concession that each sport gets a few "bullets". This means that Vandy can pick out a few players each year that wouldn't otherwise qualify for Vanderbilt, to get in. When combined with #1 from above, Vanderbilt can get the best player in the country most years.

Where does Vanderbilt use it's baseball scholarship money? They use it on top 3 round caliber high school pitchers, usually from high educated families from around the country, that they believe will turn down 7 figure signing bonuses to come to Vanderbilt. Why? because the family values education & Vanderbilt has a history of helping prospects up their status.

Want to know how effective this scholarship model is? Remember how awesome Miami used to be in baseball? Them & Stanford were the first private schools to implement this scholarship model. Stanford still has it, but they are very poorly coached & unmotivated, but, when Donna Shalala became the president of Miami, she got rid of the program & Miami baseball hasn't been the same since.

Hope this makes sense.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Vanderbilt Scholarship Advantages

1. Need based scholarship - If a Vanderbilt recruit's parents make less than $103,000 of household income, then the player qualifies for a need based scholarship that makes Vanderbilt free. Dansby Swanson was on this scholarship. Yes, the #1 overall pick in last year's draft, was never on baseball scholarship

2. Minority scholarships - Because Vandy is private & so heavily Caucasian, the school offers "minority scholarships" to minorities with good grades. Yes, Jeren Kendall is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt

3. NAACP Scholarship - 1 Vanderbilt athlete in each sport gets this scholarship. Yes, Roe Coleman is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt.

4. Bullets - Vanderbilt made a concession that each sport gets a few "bullets". This means that Vandy can pick out a few players each year that wouldn't otherwise qualify for Vanderbilt, to get in. When combined with #1 from above, Vanderbilt can get the best player in the country most years.

Where does Vanderbilt use it's baseball scholarship money? They use it on top 3 round caliber high school pitchers, usually from high educated families from around the country, that they believe will turn down 7 figure signing bonuses to come to Vanderbilt. Why? because the family values education & Vanderbilt has a history of helping prospects up their status.

Want to know how effective this scholarship model is? Remember how awesome Miami used to be in baseball? Them & Stanford were the first private schools to implement this scholarship model. Stanford still has it, but they are very poorly coached & unmotivated, but, when Donna Shalala became the president of Miami, she got rid of the program & Miami baseball hasn't been the same since.

Hope this makes sense.

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Sounds fair

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Originally Posted by Alphadog

Sounds fair

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HAHA. Actually, it's absurd.

This issue is what drove Ron Polk insane. He used to argue that there would be riots if this existed in SEC football. However, Title 9 has caused this issue.

I'm not sure if private vs public really has a lot to do with it. Seems it's simply Vandy's huge endowment that makes it easier for them to augment the 11.7. I imagine if we *really* wanted to do something (and if this was NCAA legal), we could easily get boosters to fund a scholarship endowment of which 51% goes to regular students and 49% to baseball players and ensure that all of our players were covered between the 11.7 and the endowment.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Vanderbilt Scholarship Advantages

1. Need based scholarship - If a Vanderbilt recruit's parents make less than $103,000 of household income, then the player qualifies for a need based scholarship that makes Vanderbilt free. Dansby Swanson was on this scholarship. Yes, the #1 overall pick in last year's draft, was never on baseball scholarship

2. Minority scholarships - Because Vandy is private & so heavily Caucasian, the school offers "minority scholarships" to minorities with good grades. Yes, Jeren Kendall is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt

3. NAACP Scholarship - 1 Vanderbilt athlete in each sport gets this scholarship. Yes, Roe Coleman is not on baseball scholarship at Vanderbilt.

4. Bullets - Vanderbilt made a concession that each sport gets a few "bullets". This means that Vandy can pick out a few players each year that wouldn't otherwise qualify for Vanderbilt, to get in. When combined with #1 from above, Vanderbilt can get the best player in the country most years.

Where does Vanderbilt use it's baseball scholarship money? They use it on top 3 round caliber high school pitchers, usually from high educated families from around the country, that they believe will turn down 7 figure signing bonuses to come to Vanderbilt. Why? because the family values education & Vanderbilt has a history of helping prospects up their status.

Want to know how effective this scholarship model is? Remember how awesome Miami used to be in baseball? Them & Stanford were the first private schools to implement this scholarship model. Stanford still has it, but they are very poorly coached & unmotivated, but, when Donna Shalala became the president of Miami, she got rid of the program & Miami baseball hasn't been the same since.

Hope this makes sense.

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Yes...Stanford figure this out in baseball long ago and recently in football.

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Originally Posted by Goat from MSU

Tennessee has the Hope Scholarship ,any kid who gets 21 or higher on ACT gets 4000 a year to any school in the state.

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I think that only applies to public schools though. Therefore Vandy would be excluded. That's less than 10% of the annual tuition at Vandy anyways.

they can offer more schollies some loophole with private school. + a vandy education value is pretty high - not bad for free if baseball don't work out

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Originally Posted by dawgoneyall

Its helps in football also.
Stanford figured all that out before Vandy.
But then again they are smart people and the NCAA people are dumbasses.

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No it doesn't. This is wrong. Period. Just bad Info. Stanford
Got better players but didn't beat the system. This doesn't matter in full scholarship sports. The advantage is in baseball-tennis- golf etc

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Originally Posted by dawgoneyall

My nephew played (started and was All-SEC middle linebacker) at MSU and is an Orthopedic surgeon.
But he understands when i call him a dumbass.
Really, my nephew-in-laws if there is just a thing.....but he calls be uncle..the dumbass.

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Is your nephew-in-law Daniel Boyd?

Vandy has similar momentum from so many recent draft picks that UK has in basketball. Previous picks are recruiting future picks. It's a domino effect.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If they don't have to abide by normal scholarships limits, couldn't they get more players on campus by hiding behind private school whatever... Just like they do in baseball, but basketball and football. Like having 15-6 basketball players and 95 football players

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I think in football if you walk on and you are on the roster you have to pay your own way. Either by out of pocket or student loan. Any other form of assistance you will count against the total of 85 in football. Baseball is different. That's why the NCAA kept on blowing Polk off every time he whined.

Don't get me wrong I still think Polk was correct and the low limit of scholarships in baseball is bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Vandy has similar momentum from so many recent draft picks that UK has in basketball. Previous picks are recruiting future picks. It's a domino effect.

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Yes & no.

Vandy's momentum is different because, for the most part, they don't have to recruit against other college baseball teams for talent. Regardless of Kentucky's basketball success, if Kentucky could only offer a 50% scholarship & MSU could offer a 100% scholarship then MSU probably gets the players that Kentucky is getting. It may not be immediate, but over the course of 5 years or so, the roles would switch & Calapari would want to be MSU's coach because it was easier & he had an advantage.

Vandy's biggest competition is against the MLB draft. What they they absolutely can't have happen on a consistent basis is to choose to sign a kid that ends up going pro instead of a player that they liked that ended up signing with LSU or MSU. Vandy over signs though, since they have no scholarship limit, so this scenario rarely happens. Vandy loses more high school players to the MLB than any other team, but their track record & success gives them ammunition to convince to kid to turn down 1 million + dollars in the draft to go school.

The entire thing is a scam. Baseball recruiting is ALL about scholarship money, & has very little to do with history & tradition.

Wrong , it is all schools,I have a Senior this year who been accepted to one public and 5 private in Tennessee.She gets the money no matter where she goes.

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Originally Posted by Goat from MSU

Wrong , it is all schools,I have a Senior this year who been accepted to one public and 5 private in Tennessee.She gets the money no matter where she goes.

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This is one of the reasons it is getting where the economics to go to a private school is more advantageous than going to a public university, especially for out of state students. I have three sons, one currently a junior at a top 10 ranked public high school in TX. He wants to go to MSU. The out of state tuition at MSU is currently over $18K per year at MSU (just tuition), and I believe this is the cheapest out of state tuition in the SEC. However, at private schools the in state and out of state tuition is the same generally, and they give more financial aid, which makes the net cost for the out of state student less than at the public schools. My son is not in the top 25% of his class, and we"make too much, so MSU is not giving anything to him. Nevermind I have given MSU nearly $75K over my sons' life.

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

This is one of the reasons it is getting where the economics to go to a private school is more advantageous than going to a public university, especially for out of state students. I have three sons, one currently a junior at a top 10 ranked public high school in TX. He wants to go to MSU. The out of state tuition at MSU is currently over $18K per year at MSU (just tuition), and I believe this is the cheapest out of state tuition in the SEC. However, at private schools the in state and out of state tuition is the same generally, and they give more financial aid, which makes the net cost for the out of state student less than at the public schools. My son is not in the top 25% of his class, and we"make too much, so MSU is not giving anything to him. Nevermind I have given MSU nearly $75K over my sons' life.

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If your son makes over a 26 on his ACT, I believe he gets in-state tuition at MSU

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Originally Posted by IMissJack

This is one of the reasons it is getting where the economics to go to a private school is more advantageous than going to a public university, especially for out of state students. I have three sons, one currently a junior at a top 10 ranked public high school in TX. He wants to go to MSU. The out of state tuition at MSU is currently over $18K per year at MSU (just tuition), and I believe this is the cheapest out of state tuition in the SEC. However, at private schools the in state and out of state tuition is the same generally, and they give more financial aid, which makes the net cost for the out of state student less than at the public schools. My son is not in the top 25% of his class, and we"make too much, so MSU is not giving anything to him. Nevermind I have given MSU nearly $75K over my sons' life.

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See below from the MSU Website. As an out of state alum, if your son's have at least a 3.0 and 20 on their ACT they will be eligible to receive scholarship dollars to MSU. Dollars increase based on higher grades and ACT scores. I believe these are automatic awards, but have not thoroughly researched to make sure. You referenced that your son is not in the top 25% of his class so maybe he is missing these cutoffs, but this seems like a fairly generous program for prospective students of out of state alumni.

http://www.admissions.msstate.edu/fr...-scholarships/

Combined Awards for Freshman Alumni Non-Resident Scholarships

Non-resident students who are children of alumni can receive a Freshman Academic Excellence Scholarship, a Non-Resident Tuition Scholarship, and an Alumni Non-Resident Tuition Scholarship. We have combined the three scholarships for the total award amounts listed below.

Annual award (over a maximum of 8 semesters)

Criteria:
One or both parents are MSU Alumni
Minimum high school GPA 3.0
Annual Scholarship Award Ranges
ACT Score Range SAT Score Range 3.00-3.49 GPA 3.5 and above GPA
20-21 940-1010 $6,150 $6,650
22-25 1020-1160 $11,650 - $12,150 $12,650 - $13,150
26-29 1170-1320 $13,650 - 15,150 $13,650 - $16,150
30-32 1330-1430 $16,150 - $16,650 $17,150 - $17,650
33-36** 1440-1600 $16,650 - $18,150 $18,650 - $20,150