If it's Paul Rhoads, what is the board's thoughts

It doesn't really matter. He will only be here for a year, just like all the other DCs that can't seem to work with Mullen.

Whenever Beniquez Brown's career in the NFL ends Mullen should hire him. Guy has football IQ off the charts.

I think you got to have confidence in Dan to make the best decision available. Dan will make the best hire within parameters of
who is available and competent. The program has been solid under Dan and no reason he cant keep it that way. Next year
schedule looks good some early wins and then we'll see

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

He was only DC at AU for 1 year. AU finished 5-7, lost 6 of their last 7, didn't make a bowl and their defense finished 27th in the country. Rhoades was 32-55 as a head coach.

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And his scoring defense was 14th in the country on a 5-7 turd of team. His defense wasn't why they were 5-7.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

If nothing else at least we'll have 17 DB coaches on the staff.

The only place he's ever been where he could recruit was Auburn but he only lasted 1 season because Chizik got canned. Got to trust CDM's judgement on this one. Hopefully we got a guy that won't bolt at the first glimmer of a green pasture. We need some stability at DC. According to wiki, he turned down Auburn before eventually going there a couple of years later. That's a positive sign.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

And his scoring defense was 14th in the country on a 5-7 turd of team. His defense wasn't why they were 5-7.

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Yeah, definitely helped by the 2 points Croom put on them.

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

Whenever Beniquez Brown's career in the NFL ends Mullen should hire him. Guy has football IQ off the charts.

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I think Chris White will be a hell of a coach. He was a genius at reading the offense. He was also a great coach on the field. Once he quits the NFL, he'll be one hell of a LB coach.

But the Iowa State defense's have been some of the worst in the country. I mean I know you don't get good talent at Iowa State...but I would hope they would be slightly better (assuming he is calling the defense).

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yeah, definitely helped by the 2 points Croom put on them.

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We don't discuss that game!

That defense was also tied for 3rd in the league and right at the same avg for conference only games. 18.6 per game. 3 conference losses holding teams to 17, 17, and 14. Georgia, UNM, and Vandy

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

But the Iowa State defense's have been some of the worst in the country. I mean I know you don't get good talent at Iowa State...but I would hope they would be slightly better (assuming he is calling the defense).

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Wally Burnham was the DC.

Craptastic, screw the pooch hire if it's true.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We don't discuss that game!

That defense was also tied for 3rd in the league and right at the same avg for conference only games. 18.6 per game. 3 conference losses holding teams to 17, 17, and 14. Georgia, UNM, and Vandy

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There was a certain wide receiver coach on that 5-7 team that we grabbed. Why shouldn't we get the DC as well?

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

But the Iowa State defense's have been some of the worst in the country. I mean I know you don't get good talent at Iowa State...but I would hope they would be slightly better (assuming he is calling the defense).

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He wasn't calling the defenses, I'm pretty sure but their scoring went from 111th in the country prior to him to 33rd his first year. 74, 82, 38, 109, 118, 97. The last 3 years I think shows they peeked prior and he couldn't sustain. Not that I'm pushing Rhoads, he is not bad but not my first choice, but think about this when considering Iowa State, Urban Myer hired Rhoads OC, Tom Herman, after his 3 year stint as Iowa State's OC. His scoring offenses were 103rd, 97th, and 90th in the country. You have to adjust expections considerably when talking about Iowa State. It didn't make Herman a bad OC and Urban didn't get him because he was bad coach. He is a very good coach. I think Rhoads is better than people give him credit. Now who is going to coach LB's?

I think he will be a good DC. Not the flashy hire a lot want but he'll be better than a couple names people a drooling over.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Just extremely underwhelming. Other than 1 year at AU, he has spent the majority of his career at Iowa State and Pittsburgh.

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See to Me , signing a Coach that has Coached and had success at a similar Team as Us is the right thing. Signing a DC from a Bama or Ga or Fla. doesn't mean he can be good at MSU. But if he can succeed at Iowa St or Pitt then he can be Good with Us.

Rhoads would be an excellent based on how his defenses performed.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

See to Me , signing a Coach that has Coached and had success at a similar Team as Us is the right thing. Signing a DC from a Bama or Ga or Fla. doesn't mean he can be good at MSU. But if he can succeed at Iowa St or Pitt then he can be Good with Us.

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Has he really had that much success?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Mullen has a much better track record of hiring new coaches at MSU than the coaches he brought with him when he got the job.

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Torbush - Bad but defensible. It wasn't a bad idea to grab somebody with HC experience since Mullen was a new head coach, and probably not a lot of people banging down the door to get here with a new coach.
Manny - Pretty good hire. In hindsight he had a lot of talent to work with, but can't complain about the results.
Wilson - Pretty bad hire. Only defense is that Mullen probably made promises when he hired him about the ability to move up, but wasn't expecting Manny to leave so early. Also probably needed to get something set for recruiting.
Collins - Pretty good hire. Not great at in game adjustments but put a solid defense out there until he checked out at the end.
Manny - Ok hire. Our offense didn't kill us this year but it also wasn't great.

That list doesn't inspire a lot of confidence to me. On the plus side, Mullen's only real turd of a hire was Wilson. But there still a big problem with having to make so many hires. Manny left for a destination job and then left when Mullen was probably indifferent as to whether he stayed. Torbush and Wilson needed to go. Collins obviously didn't like working for Mullen. Chasing Collins off has been his biggest mistake. Every DC departure before that was needed or understandable. Each extra year with a good to pretty good DC is big, and we probably would have had Collins for another year if he didn't hate working for Dan. We are really hurting for some continuity at this point.

Was told Collins said "I had to get out of there before I punched that mudderfudder in the face!" Haha

I just laughed at it, but he is a good coach..
Hope the next one has his drive and determination..but more success.

If we hire Rhoads, we have at best the second worst DC in the West. Don't think anyone can provide me with evidence that shows otherwise. Means we aren't doing what's necessary to be the best and I would be sorely disappointed that we couldn't do better and you guys should too.

Some of us will defend anything we do. Some of us will crush anything we do. I try to stay objective and objectivity tells me 1) That we SHOULD be able to do better than Rhoads and 2), if we couldn't do better than Rhoads, we are a lot further behind in a lot of ways than we should be right now going into year 8 after our most successful 2 years in program history.